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sportscurmudgeon · 02-24-2004, 08:57 AM

Just so you have a fuller picture, Jimmy Sexton ALSO represents Kleinsasser (the TE from the Vikings that the Skins supposedly want) AND he is the agent for a gentleman in Dallas named Parcells.

You can tell him to go piss in the wind if you like; but if you do, you are unlikely to get Kleinsasser and in a couple of years when Ramsey's contract is up for renewal (and Brunell is 36), you might be looking in the draft for a new guy to come in here. Jimmy Sexton is not someone you pick a fight with just to show how tough you are; even if you win the fight today, you could lose somewhere down the road.

SkinsRock · 02-24-2004, 09:14 AM

I am a big Ramsey supporter but I think it was a good deal. Gibbs specifically said that he wanted two starting-caliber QB's, including a veteran. Plus everyone on the team has to earn their job this year. Sexton needs to keep his mouth shut, but it worries me because if Ramsey wasn't behind his comments, they would have stopped by now. Who'd have thought that Gibbs first experience dealing with the "modern athlete" would be Ramsey???
As for Sexton representing Samuels and Kleinsasser, if he is such a good agent, he will do the best job for EACH of his clients individually.
By the way, it seems like for the number of players in the NFL, there are only a handful of agents...doesn't this seem not quite right?

AnonEmouse · 02-24-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsRock

As for Sexton representing Samuels and Kleinsasser, if he is such a good agent, he will do the best job for EACH of his clients individually.
By the way, it seems like for the number of players in the NFL, there are only a handful of agents...doesn't this seem not quite right?

1st part - definitely. He shouldn't be using one player to leverage anotehr et al. Doesn't stop him doing it mind...

2nd part - probably because agents get players to sign on based on rep. Many rookies look at the kind of players he already has on his books and the contracts they've gotten and that goes a long way to making their mind up. Also looking at the number of players in the league (compared to i.e. MLB), there are less players to go around.

MTK · 02-24-2004, 10:23 AM

Gibbs says it will be an open competition, so I believe him.

If Ramsey is clearly the better QB in camp, Gibbs will go with him regardless of how much Brunell is being paid. Gibbs is not going to make decisions based on paychecks.

I think it will be highly unlikely that Ramsey would beat him out though. Ramsey is headed into his 3rd season and will be learning another new offense. You have to give the edge to Brunell right now simply because of his experience. Ramsey will get his chance to play at some point and he needs to be ready. I really wish he would tell Sexton to shut the heck up. Gibbs is not going to deal him, he wants two quality QB's and he has them, so why would we want to give one of them up? Especially a QB with Ramsey's potential.

Ramsey needs to suck it up right now and keep in mind that he will get his chance to shine eventually, he just needs to be patient and take one for the team right now.

Drkstar · 02-24-2004, 10:44 AM

I know the time and history of the NFL was different but did or did not Steve Young and Joe Montana co-exist on the same roster? Young showed the patience necessary to serve in the back up role and get his too when his time came. I know Patrick stands to loose a shitload of money by not getting over 50% of the snaps this season but he should be pissed at his agent for that and not at Coach Gibbs. And it has been said before but bears repeating, Coach Gibbs will play the best QB available to him regardless of salary and I do believe that Ramsey will take snaps as the #1 guy in 2004 due to injury. If he unseats Brunnell based on performance from those snaps (alot like Tom Brady did to Drew Bledsoe) then this whole "feather ruffling" situation will be moot.

Joe Gibbs is a football genuis. He has thought this through and anyone who questions him on the QB situation should only do so in hindsight. Because as far as I am concerened, he has earned the right to be considered correct until proven wrong.

AnonEmouse · 02-24-2004, 12:17 PM

The only difference with Young and Montana is that Young was on a good contract. He also knew he'd get a good few years in SF with a good team around him after Joe left, and in the meantime had a great QB to learn from. The former isn't the case here, but the latter is definitely the case and what Ramsey should really be thinking about.

Gmanc711 · 02-24-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

The only difference with Young and Montana is that Young was on a good contract. He also knew he'd get a good few years in SF with a good team around him after Joe left, and in the meantime had a great QB to learn from. The former isn't the case here, but the latter is definitely the case and what Ramsey should really be thinking about.

I think we should be working out a new contract with Ramsey. Not a crazy one, but just somthing that show's him that he is our guy.

02-24-2004, 08:57 AM	#1
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Just so you have a fuller picture, Jimmy Sexton ALSO represents Kleinsasser (the TE from the Vikings that the Skins supposedly want) AND he is the agent for a gentleman in Dallas named Parcells. You can tell him to go piss in the wind if you like; but if you do, you are unlikely to get Kleinsasser and in a couple of years when Ramsey's contract is up for renewal (and Brunell is 36), you might be looking in the draft for a new guy to come in here. Jimmy Sexton is not someone you pick a fight with just to show how tough you are; even if you win the fight today, you could lose somewhere down the road.

02-24-2004, 09:14 AM	#2
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	I am a big Ramsey supporter but I think it was a good deal. Gibbs specifically said that he wanted two starting-caliber QB's, including a veteran. Plus everyone on the team has to earn their job this year. Sexton needs to keep his mouth shut, but it worries me because if Ramsey wasn't behind his comments, they would have stopped by now. Who'd have thought that Gibbs first experience dealing with the "modern athlete" would be Ramsey??? As for Sexton representing Samuels and Kleinsasser, if he is such a good agent, he will do the best job for EACH of his clients individually. By the way, it seems like for the number of players in the NFL, there are only a handful of agents...doesn't this seem not quite right?

02-24-2004, 10:23 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 99,913	Gibbs says it will be an open competition, so I believe him. If Ramsey is clearly the better QB in camp, Gibbs will go with him regardless of how much Brunell is being paid. Gibbs is not going to make decisions based on paychecks. I think it will be highly unlikely that Ramsey would beat him out though. Ramsey is headed into his 3rd season and will be learning another new offense. You have to give the edge to Brunell right now simply because of his experience. Ramsey will get his chance to play at some point and he needs to be ready. I really wish he would tell Sexton to shut the heck up. Gibbs is not going to deal him, he wants two quality QB's and he has them, so why would we want to give one of them up? Especially a QB with Ramsey's potential. Ramsey needs to suck it up right now and keep in mind that he will get his chance to shine eventually, he just needs to be patient and take one for the team right now.

02-24-2004, 10:44 AM	#5
Drkstar Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19	I know the time and history of the NFL was different but did or did not Steve Young and Joe Montana co-exist on the same roster? Young showed the patience necessary to serve in the back up role and get his too when his time came. I know Patrick stands to loose a shitload of money by not getting over 50% of the snaps this season but he should be pissed at his agent for that and not at Coach Gibbs. And it has been said before but bears repeating, Coach Gibbs will play the best QB available to him regardless of salary and I do believe that Ramsey will take snaps as the #1 guy in 2004 due to injury. If he unseats Brunnell based on performance from those snaps (alot like Tom Brady did to Drew Bledsoe) then this whole "feather ruffling" situation will be moot. Joe Gibbs is a football genuis. He has thought this through and anyone who questions him on the QB situation should only do so in hindsight. Because as far as I am concerened, he has earned the right to be considered correct until proven wrong.

02-24-2004, 12:17 PM	#6
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 59 Posts: 2,714	The only difference with Young and Montana is that Young was on a good contract. He also knew he'd get a good few years in SF with a good team around him after Joe left, and in the meantime had a great QB to learn from. The former isn't the case here, but the latter is definitely the case and what Ramsey should really be thinking about.

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