I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

not to make it sound paltry but it's a 3-4

....and your point is? I know its a 3-4 and the OLB rush more than a 4-3 but 20.5 sacks over a two year span for any player is great at this level.

Im not saying hes a great superstar player. Im just saying when someone says Ellis isnt very productive when he had 20.5 sacks over a 2 year span is laughable.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

....and your point is? I know its a 3-4 and the OLB rush more than a 4-3 but 20.5 sacks over a two year span for any player is great at this level.

Im not saying hes a great superstar player. Im just saying when someone says Ellis isnt very productive when he had 20.5 sacks over a 2 year span is laughable.

Don't get me wrong, I can definitely respect your point. You need to keep in mind my initial points in my initial post. He had a whopping 3.5 sacks over 14 games last year if not for the eagles and giants game. He is 34 and his production even in sacks was cut dramatically! He would not fit well in our system, and to trade ANY pick away for him would be stupid IMO. Time to keep our picks, and not trade them for oldies. Do you really want a guy that would likely get us 25 tackles and 3 sacks???

Originally Posted by jsarno

Don't get me wrong, I can definitely respect your point. You need to keep in mind my initial points in my initial post. He had a whopping 3.5 sacks over 14 games last year if not for the eagles and giants game. He is 34 and his production even in sacks was cut dramatically! He would not fit well in our system, and to trade ANY pick away for him would be stupid IMO. Time to keep our picks, and not trade them for oldies. Do you really want a guy that would likely get us 25 tackles and 3 sacks???

I said in a earlier post I wouldnt trade for him unless it was a low pick. I wouldnt go trading the farm for a guy who is probably going to be released. Odds are though we wouldnt trade for him since he isnt a great fit here. I agree with all of that.

I dont like when people take stats and break them down. While its a great tidbit that he only had 3.5 sacks over 14 games the bottom line is he had 8 sacks last year. Hell id rather have a LB who had big games vs division rivals. A drop from 12.5 to 8 isnt dramatic imo.

Ellis is still a player who can make plays and it shouldnt take him too long to find another team if hes released. It just seems to me people look at his age and say he must be on the decline. Maybe he will hit that decline but as of right now with 20.5 sacks over the last 2 years he still can get to the QB as far as I know.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I dont like when people take stats and break them down.

I will only have reactionary posts from here on out.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

New rule: if we're going to suggest players who would make sense at OLB in our 4-3 defense, they have to be a better player than Marcus Washington. Who is still a free agent.

Dude Marcus Washington cant even stay on the field without hurting something. Ill take Ellis and 20.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons than a LB who has only started 20 of 32 games the last 2 seasons.

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I will only have reactionary posts from here on out.

Nice job taking a post out of context and twisting it. I just dont like when actual stats are broken down to change the outlook on a player.

When someone takes a player who had 8 sacks last year and then acts like he really only had 3.5 because he had 4.5 in two games I find it odd. Its like the 4.5 sacks shouldnt count because he had two big games vs division rivals. Hell injury prone Taylor had 3.5 and Carter had only 4 last year. Kinda sad when you take away 4.5 sacks from a guy and hes still just as good as what we had last year from both end spots.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Dude Marcus Washington cant even stay on the field without hurting something. Ill take Ellis and 20.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons than a LB who has only started 20 of 32 games the last 2 seasons.



Nice job taking a post out of context and twisting it. I just dont like when actual stats are broken down to change the outlook on a player.
When someone takes a player who had 8 sacks last year and then acts like he really only had 3.5 because he had 4.5 in two games I find it odd. Its like the 4.5 sacks shouldnt count because he had two big games vs division rivals. Hell injury prone Taylor had 3.5 and Carter had only 4 last year. Kinda sad when you take away 4.5 sacks from a guy and hes still just as good as what we had last year from both end spots.

Yeah stats are a funny thing. They can be used to make a variety of points. For example, if you go back 3 years instead of 2, Ellis played in a total of 2 more games than Marcus. 2. Not much of a difference really. As far as sacks, they were used completely different. Blache had different plans for Marcus than the way he had been used before. He wanted him to do more of the "grunt" work the way I understood it. Such as taking out the guard on sweeps. The MLB is expected to make a lot of plays in this defense. If Ellis played for Blache the last couple of years the way Marcus was used, I doubt his sack total would have been as high. He looks like he can still play in the right system, but unless Blache changes what he expects out of the SAM position, hopefully he does if he plays Orakpo there, then he wouldn't have the kind of year he's had in the past.

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Yeah stats are a funny thing. They can be used to make a variety of points. For example, if you go back 3 years instead of 2, Ellis played in a total of 2 more games than Marcus. 2. Not much of a difference really. As far as sacks, they were used completely different. Blache had different plans for Marcus than the way he had been used before. He wanted him to do more of the "grunt" work the way I understood it. Such as taking out the guard on sweeps. The MLB is expected to make a lot of plays in this defense. If Ellis played for Blache the last couple of years the way Marcus was used, I doubt his sack total would have been as high. He looks like he can still play in the right system, but unless Blache changes what he expects out of the SAM position, hopefully he does if he plays Orakpo there, then he wouldn't have the kind of year he's had in the past.

Those are great points. I didnt realize Ellis only played in 9 games in 2006. I was going off the last 2 seasons Ellis has had and that he can still make plays compared to Washington. The problem with Marcus Washington imo is that he hasnt been the same LB since 2005. From the 06 season up til the time he was released he was a shell of his former self imo. Hopefully Blache wouldnt play Ellis like he played Washington if Ellis was here the last couple years.

I think Ellis could play either SLB or WLB for us. If it was me id move Rocky to SLB and Ellis to WLB. This is just my opinion if it happened since I know the chances of the Skins trading or signing Ellis would be slim to none.

If we could re-sign Marcus for the vet min I wouldnt mind bringing him in and giving him another shot. If he can stay healthy he can be a solid player for us. If he gets hurt again cut him before the season.