Leftwich or Ramsey?

azskinsfan2 · 02-25-2004, 08:21 PM

I think Matty hit the nail on the head. Gibbs wants to win now and for that he probably needs Brunnell, a proven veteran. I really hope Patrick sticks around and learns from them both and in the next year or two he'll be the full time starter and the future of the Skins!!!! We need them both!!! And the way QB's get hurt in this league Patrick is always only a play away from being the starter again!!! Give things a chance PR!!!

cpayne5 · 02-25-2004, 08:24 PM

Having both Brunell and Ramsey gives us the best chance to win now AND later. I'm a huge PR supporter, but I respect the decision.

sportscurmudgeon · 02-25-2004, 08:55 PM

Bleedburgandy:

Ramsey is one tough hombre and I like him a lot. But please don't try to put him head and shoulders abouve Leftwich on that scale. In college, Leftwich played THREE games on a broken bone in his leg and had to be carried by his offensive linemen into the huddle after every play. On the toughness bus, Leftwich takes a back seat to no one - - including Patrick Ramsey.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd probably flip a coin. I think both will have very nice careers in the NFL.

offiss · 02-25-2004, 09:10 PM

I have been adimate about how good I think ramsey will be, I believe he is better than both lefty and brunnell, and I do believe at this point regardless of the money that ramsey will have a fair shot to start, I think gibb's thinking is he doesn't want the season to end with 1 good blow to our starter, ala the jet's 4 yrs. ago with testeverde, this should also mean regardless of what comes out of the ramsey camp there's no way he will be dealt, this situation is going to work itself out it's just a matter of time, but I defiently believe that RAMSEY IS THE MAN!

BleedBurgundy · 02-26-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Bleedburgandy:

Ramsey is one tough hombre and I like him a lot. But please don't try to put him head and shoulders abouve Leftwich on that scale. In college, Leftwich played THREE games on a broken bone in his leg and had to be carried by his offensive linemen into the huddle after every play. On the toughness bus, Leftwich takes a back seat to no one - - including Patrick Ramsey.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd probably flip a coin. I think both will have very nice careers in the NFL.

Curmudgeon:

I didn't say PR is tougher, I think he's a better quarterback. Leftwich playing on that broken bone was amazing but I think that his battered legs are going to cost him a lot of starts in the future if he takes too much punishment. Ramsey throws a better ball plus he hasn't had the major injuries despite the beat down of last year. I think the edge goes to Ramsey. All that said, don't take this to mean that I think Leftwich isn't a great young qb for the Jags, I just like our guy better...

SkinsRock · 02-26-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

Having both Brunell and Ramsey gives us the best chance to win now AND later. I'm a huge PR supporter, but I respect the decision.

My thoughts exactly.

While Gibbs wanted a quality veteran, which he got in Brunell, he is adamant about keeping Ramsey. Supposedly, Miami made another effort to trade for him before going for Feely from Philly, and was shot down by the Skins.

dieselhog · 02-27-2004, 11:19 AM

I think back to when Doug Williams sat all year whilst Jay Ego Man threw the ball all year, only for Doug to step in at play off time.

We need both and it has always been Coach Gibbs' approach.

Incidently, Williams said that Jay was such an asshole that he was the only player he didn't want to talk to the entire season.

Patrick over BL but both will be solid QBs in the long run.

Defensewins · 02-27-2004, 11:57 AM

BleedBurgundy,
It is not fair to compare Ramsey and Leftwich at this point, because Leftwich just finished his rookie season. But if you look statistically at both of their careers in college and first year in the NFL Leftwich has had a better carrer.

Leftwich in college completed 939 of 1442 passes (65.1 percent) for 11,903 yards, 89 touchdowns and only 28 interceptions, while amassing 12,090 yards of total offense.

Ramsey in his collegiate career completed 798 of 1355 passes (58.9%) for 9,205 yards and 72 touchdowns,

During Leftwich's NFL rookie season he completed 239 passes for 2819 yards and 57.2 completion % for 14 TD's and a 73.0 QB rating.

Ramsey finished his rookie season completing only 117 passes for 1,539 yards and 51.5 completion% for 9 TD's and a 71.8 QB rating.

In my opionion they are both equally talented QB's, there is no need to put down Lefwich to argue your case for Ramsey to automatically inherit the Skins QB job. Ramsey just needs to battle the other QB's on our roster to get it....something he seems unwilling to do.

02-25-2004, 08:24 PM	#2
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Having both Brunell and Ramsey gives us the best chance to win now AND later. I'm a huge PR supporter, but I respect the decision. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

02-25-2004, 08:55 PM	#3
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Bleedburgandy: Ramsey is one tough hombre and I like him a lot. But please don't try to put him head and shoulders abouve Leftwich on that scale. In college, Leftwich played THREE games on a broken bone in his leg and had to be carried by his offensive linemen into the huddle after every play. On the toughness bus, Leftwich takes a back seat to no one - - including Patrick Ramsey. If I had to choose between the two, I'd probably flip a coin. I think both will have very nice careers in the NFL. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-25-2004, 08:21 PM	#1
azskinsfan2 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, Arizona Age: 68 Posts: 232	I think Matty hit the nail on the head. Gibbs wants to win now and for that he probably needs Brunnell, a proven veteran. I really hope Patrick sticks around and learns from them both and in the next year or two he'll be the full time starter and the future of the Skins!!!! We need them both!!! And the way QB's get hurt in this league Patrick is always only a play away from being the starter again!!! Give things a chance PR!!!

02-25-2004, 09:10 PM	#4
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	I have been adimate about how good I think ramsey will be, I believe he is better than both lefty and brunnell, and I do believe at this point regardless of the money that ramsey will have a fair shot to start, I think gibb's thinking is he doesn't want the season to end with 1 good blow to our starter, ala the jet's 4 yrs. ago with testeverde, this should also mean regardless of what comes out of the ramsey camp there's no way he will be dealt, this situation is going to work itself out it's just a matter of time, but I defiently believe that RAMSEY IS THE MAN!

02-27-2004, 11:19 AM	#7
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 54 Posts: 166	I think back to when Doug Williams sat all year whilst Jay Ego Man threw the ball all year, only for Doug to step in at play off time. We need both and it has always been Coach Gibbs' approach. Incidently, Williams said that Jay was such an asshole that he was the only player he didn't want to talk to the entire season. Patrick over BL but both will be solid QBs in the long run.

02-27-2004, 11:57 AM	#8
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	BleedBurgundy, It is not fair to compare Ramsey and Leftwich at this point, because Leftwich just finished his rookie season. But if you look statistically at both of their careers in college and first year in the NFL Leftwich has had a better carrer. Leftwich in college completed 939 of 1442 passes (65.1 percent) for 11,903 yards, 89 touchdowns and only 28 interceptions, while amassing 12,090 yards of total offense. Ramsey in his collegiate career completed 798 of 1355 passes (58.9%) for 9,205 yards and 72 touchdowns, During Leftwich's NFL rookie season he completed 239 passes for 2819 yards and 57.2 completion % for 14 TD's and a 73.0 QB rating. Ramsey finished his rookie season completing only 117 passes for 1,539 yards and 51.5 completion% for 9 TD's and a 71.8 QB rating. In my opionion they are both equally talented QB's, there is no need to put down Lefwich to argue your case for Ramsey to automatically inherit the Skins QB job. Ramsey just needs to battle the other QB's on our roster to get it....something he seems unwilling to do.

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