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| View Poll Results: Will Jason Campbell Be Our Starting QB Opening Day 2010? | |||
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158 | 71.49% |
| No |
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63 | 28.51% |
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Re: Per Vinny Cerrato, JC is our QB this season!
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b) That is actually a very good point. Campbell is well-liked and is exactly what you want your QB to be when it comes to attitude and leadership off the field. However, winning chanes everything and if we upgraded the QB position and won more games, the team would be fine with it. On the other hand, if Cutler came here and sucked it up or Campbell went elsewhere and tore it up... things would get real ugly. c) Those are factors to consider, but you forget that Campbell has been in the same system 2 years in a row before - one that far better suited his skillset - one where he had a far better offensive line and - one that had a much better running game and better performance from Tana - and he still didnt "step up." If he didnt do it then, what makes you think he will do it now? That last part is a key point for me. Why do so many people expect Campbell to be a much better QB and play much better in his 2nd year under Zorn?
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I honestly feel Gibbs/Saunders should have thrown him to the fire and make him start his second year. Instead, JC sat on the bench his rookie year and half of his second year, watching Mark Brunell throw 5 yd passes.
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I guess experience and familiarity with a system doesn't count for anything in your book? |
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Obviously if this next season looks similar blame can be placed on Zorn/Campbell.
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Campbell had experience and familiarity with Saunders system (he was in it two years), and it didnt "count for anything" then. It did not benefit him at all. He took no giant leaps forward. For that reason, i'm asking - if two years in the same system didnt work before, what makes you think it will work now?
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His numbers in Zorn year #1 showed improvement. His completion % was up, his INTs and fumbles were way down, and his overall QB rating took a nearly a 7 point jump. I'm pretty secure in saying I think in Zorn year #2 he's going to take another step forward. It's definitely premature to say he can't fit in this offense or be successful. He at least deserves a 2nd year to tell if he can be the guy or not. |
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JC in year two of Al's offense was below par IMO to begin with. I think that's when most within the org. really started to question whether this guy could be the next leader of this team. As you recall when Al's guy Todd Collins got in the game after Cambell went down in week fourteen, someone that knew and understood what Al wanted we got on a roll and peeled of 4 big games straight and he lead us to a playoff birth. If Joe & Al would have stayed who knows if JC would have seen a year number 3 as a starter, it could have very well been Collins at the helm. In my point of view even remembering Joe's final presser (Pre-Retirement) I gathered there would at least be a competion for the starting QB position for the following season as he would not commit to Cambell and I think that was a smart move on his behalf. Then we all know what happened Joe descided to step down.
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And I'll just point this out quickly, Joe Gibbs didn't get where he was as a coach by giving up on a 25 year old promising QB for a 36 year old with fewer good games in 12 years in the league than the 25 year old has in 20 starts.
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Let me remind you. In case it was before your time. Joe Gibbs WON ALL THREE super bowls Coaching the Washington Redskins with Veteran QB's, all in there 30's. Joe put the best QB in the pocket that he thought would give him the best results. Pretty GREAT results, huh...Hall of Fame. Not bad.
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Campbell was NOT playing at a pro-bowl level early on in the season. All that talk was ridiculous at the time, especially him being talked about as MVP of the league, let alone the team. All campbell did in the first few games was just not throw interceptions... something which was primarily a result Zorn not letting him throw much and really giving him an elementary form of the offense to run. Obviously, when Zorn opened things up some, Campbell was asked to do more... and we all know how the last 8 games went. We did so well in the first half of the season because Campbell wasnt doing much and we were relying on Clinton Portis. As the season wore on, our line declined and so did Clinton. Zorn tried to open things up, he put more on Campbells shoulders, and Campbell couldnt handle it.
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But the funny thing is, it's totally necessary for the rest of the argument you've made in this thread to make sense. You have to deny, deny, deny what has been accepted by fans and the media as common knowledge, but you can't provide one smidgen of evidence to the contrary. Only, you make a hypothesis that relies on the assumption that Campbell is everything that's wrong with the Skins offense to make sense (which obviously is why it makes sense to you. you believe that unconditionally). Except, that's exactly what you're trying to prove. "I believe 'X'. Therefore, X is proven by the fact that 'Y', something else I believe, necessarily requires that X is true." Circular logic? That's a basic logical fallacy is it not?
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