obama is taking my $

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Simple fact of an imperfect world is population explosion in very poor, unstable and often war-torn areas of the world that have links to terrorism i.e. parts of Africa and the Middle-East. For decades we ought to have been doing much more to help these societies drastically reduce their birth rates but ideological radicals we elected (and some unelected) kept us from doing anything. Now the circumstances are dire. Bottom line we need to be as proactive as possible to quell population explosion in the dark corners of the world.

... people will remember how a surprising number of social scientists, experts on terrorism and military brass have talked about how Bush policies have/will encourage terrorism more than those of any previous president. It's not just about preemptively attacking countries that may or may not have any involvement in 9/11 and terrorism. It's not just about setting up massive military installations in their backyards (anyone here be too happy about the Chinese government setting up a military base in NY, no i didn't think so). Bush's policy (shared by all the radical right) of allowing/encouraging population explosion in the dark corners of the world basically guarantees terrorism increases over time - it's an incontrovertible fact but tragically too many people aren't big enough to acknowledge it.

The argument against you is "Abortion is killing". So essentially as a measure of the 'War on Terror' you support killing their children before they get to grow and be terrorists. I am not making that argument but it is he argument that pro-lifers will make to the day they die.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The argument against you is "Abortion is killing". So essentially as a measure of the 'War on Terror' you support killing their children before they get to grow and be terrorists. I am not making that argument but it is he argument that pro-lifers will make to the day they die.

Yeah, I'd say The Goat's argument there is horrifically alarming on a moral level. Basically, do what we can to prevent life from developing in these areas because we should operate under the assumption that the children born there will grow up to become terrorists. WTF?

How about we operate under the assumption that all human beings have the free will to choose their path. If they choose to take up arms against the United States, then fine, we'll kill them then. But for those that don't, why should they be robbed of the opportunity to have their children grow up as decent human beings. Not everyone aspires to become a terrorist.

It's one thing to say Bush's policies fan the flames of radical idealism, leading to a surge in terrorism. It's an entirely different thing to say we just should do what we can to limit their population growth to stop it.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah, I'd say The Goat's argument there is horrifically alarming on a moral level. Basically, do what we can to prevent life from developing in these areas because we should operate under the assumption that the children born there will grow up to become terrorists. WTF?

How about we operate under the assumption that all human beings have the free will to choose their path. If they choose to take up arms against the United States, then fine, we'll kill them then. But for those that don't, why should they be robbed of the opportunity to have their children grow up as decent human beings. Not everyone aspires to become a terrorist.

It's one thing to say Bush's policies fan the flames of radical idealism, leading to a surge in terrorism. It's an entirely different thing to say we just should do what we can to limit their population growth to stop it.

I agree.

I don't often get into abortion arguments but it is backwarss logic like we see in this thread that bugs me. It'd be ok for us to fund to the hilt abortions in the middle east somehow but it wouldn't be ok to simply drop 100 nukes and kill every single last one of them (ignoring obvious practical reasons against such a attack). Huh?