If You Ran the Redskins...

[jeff569]

sign Suggs-cut Washington
trade 1st for low 1st and 2nd-draft Curry and Unger
draft Levitre in 3rd
start Brennan, Kelly, and Thomas in place of Campbell, Moss, & ARE
watch Redskins win Super Bowl

[BrunellMVP?]

fire vinny, give parcells a blank check.

These are the players he's assembled.

50 wins

62 losses

2 playoff first round losses

top 3 in league payroll every year.



I'm not sure where we can locate free agent signings/trades to see how much we've paid to people...net, net is horrible as well (esp. considering the forgone picks)

Deon sanders, bruce smith, adam archuleta, marcus washington, santana moss, randel el, brandon lloyd, casey rabach, randy thomas, pete kendall, jason taylor, tj duckett,


Vinny's Draft Record Since he's been GM:

2008: Leave alone - though its been a DISASTER.

2007: Landy and Blades (only 1 pick in the first four rounds). Laundry is a no brainer and blades could be serviceable but can't cover.

2006: Rocky (limp knees- got exposed as he can't stay healthy a full season), Golston (again, only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds)

2005: Rogers and Campbell (both first rounders, both good players though not great- Rogers could be shopped this summer. no 2,3 round picks)

2004: Cooley and Taylor: only 4 picks in the draft, taylor was a no brainer, cooley a VERY pleasant surprise.

2003: 3 draft picks, dockery was an excellent grab at 3rd, Jacobs was a bust in the 2nd.

2002: Ladell betts, Ramsey, Rock Cart. both betts and ramsey are capable backups, rock is a great special teams player but nothing more.
2008 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa
4 124 Justin Tyron CB Arizona State
6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech
6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State
6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii
7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State
7 249 Chris Horton FS UCLA
2007 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC
6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan
2006 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)
5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota
6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado
6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia
7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona
7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee
2005 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA
5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville
6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford
7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel
2004 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
3 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
5 151 Mark Wilson T California
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame
2003 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana
2002 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa
3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon
3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee
5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State
6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee
7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA
7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton
7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think you're dead wrong on Campbell vs. the WCO, and obviously trading our franchise QB doesn't help improve the team, puls we wouldn't get anything for him right now because teams like to draft their own QBs.

Features - NFL pro football articles and coverage from Pro Football Weekly

Three of the NFL’s first-time head coaches — Mike Smith, Tony Sparano and John Harbaugh — finished the season with 10 or more victories. Only Jim Zorn, who finished the second half of the season 2-6 after a 6-2 start, did not reach the double-digit mark. The key thread in Atlanta, Miami and Baltimore was very sound decision-making in the personnel department. All three won with new quarterbacks and reshaped rosters. As for Zorn, it was the front office that selected its head coach based in large part on his ability to develop the quarterback already in place, a plan that faltered down the stretch as it became increasingly evident that Jason Campbell did not fit Zorn’s West Coast offense. It would not be a surprise, if Zorn has his way, if Colt Brennan is starting at some point next season, or if Campbell were traded rather than extended long term.

Also, you say trading our "franchise QB" doesnt improve the team... Campbell hasnt done anything to show he is a franchise QB. Jason Campbell = Trent DIlfer and nothing else. He is a guy who doesnt make many mistakes and can manage a game. Thats it. he is GREAT for a gibbs offense but the exact opposite of what we need in the WCO. Campbell might be able to improve, but he will never "fit" this system. He will never reach HIS potential in this system and the system will never reach ITS potential as long as he's the QB.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

fire vinny, give parcells a blank check.

These are the players he's assembled.

50 wins

62 losses

2 playoff first round losses

top 3 in league payroll every year.



I'm not sure where we can locate free agent signings/trades to see how much we've paid to people...net, net is horrible as well (esp. considering the forgone picks)

Deon sanders, bruce smith, adam archuleta, marcus washington, santana moss, randel el, brandon lloyd, casey rabach, randy thomas, pete kendall, jason taylor, tj duckett,


Vinny's Draft Record Since he's been GM:

2008: Leave alone - though its been a DISASTER.

2007: Landy and Blades (only 1 pick in the first four rounds). Laundry is a no brainer and blades could be serviceable but can't cover.

2006: Rocky (limp knees- got exposed as he can't stay healthy a full season), Golston (again, only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds)

2005: Rogers and Campbell (both first rounders, both good players though not great- Rogers could be shopped this summer. no 2,3 round picks)

2004: Cooley and Taylor: only 4 picks in the draft, taylor was a no brainer, cooley a VERY pleasant surprise.

2003: 3 draft picks, dockery was an excellent grab at 3rd, Jacobs was a bust in the 2nd.

2002: Ladell betts, Ramsey, Rock Cart. both betts and ramsey are capable backups, rock is a great special teams player but nothing more.
2008 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa
4 124 Justin Tyron CB Arizona State
6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech
6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State
6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii
7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State
7 249 Chris Horton FS UCLA
2007 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC
6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan
2006 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)
5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota
6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado
6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia
7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona
7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee
2005 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA
5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville
6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford
7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel
2004 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
3 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
5 151 Mark Wilson T California
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame
2003 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana
2002 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa
3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon
3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee
5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State
6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee
7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA
7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton
7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State

Wow, when you look at the drafts he's been involved in, it truly is frightening how poorly they've drafted this decade. While I will always root for the Redskins to win, it may not be such a bad thing to have a 2-14 or 4-12 clunker next year so Danny has to clean house and get a real football guy in there!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Features - NFL pro football articles and coverage from Pro Football Weekly


Also, you say trading our "franchise QB" doesnt improve the team... Campbell hasnt done anything to show he is a franchise QB. Jason Campbell = Trent DIlfer and nothing else. He is a guy who doesnt make many mistakes and can manage a game. Thats it. he is GREAT for a gibbs offense but the exact opposite of what we need in the WCO. Campbell might be able to improve, but he will never "fit" this system. He will never reach HIS potential in this system and the system will never reach ITS potential as long as he's the QB.

You've got a lot of definitive statements there. If the NFL proves one thing year after year, it's never say never.

Time will tell if JC is our franchise guy. I think you have to give him another year in this offense to really see how he fits exactly.

He showed some nice growth this year, but I guess since he didn't become the next Peyton Manning over night it's not enough for some, but for the opinion that really matters, Zorn, he liked what he saw to stick with JC another year.

[SFREDSKIN]

Bring back Bill Musgrave as our OC assistant, look at what he's done with Matt Ryan.

[MTK]

I think Zorn did some nice things with JC this year. I don't see the need for a new QB coach.

[tryfuhl]

for all of the Cowher guys:

ESPN - Sources: Bill Cowher won't interview for New York Jets job

"Former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who rejected a chance to become head coach of the Browns last weekend, is not going to interview for the head coaching position of the New York Jets, according to multiple sources.

Cowher, according to a source, has been contacted by the Jets. Although he is interested in the Jets job, he told the team he would not be a candidate because he would like to bring in his own personnel director. Jets owner Woody Johnson plans to keep Mike Tannenbaum as his general manager after firing Eric Mangini as head coach Monday.

With Tannenbaum as the general manager, Cowher is willing to pass on the Jets opportunity, stay in broadcasting for another year and wait to return to coaching in 2010. "

[Bill B]

Looking at the moves I would make with regards to the salary cap:

1.) Cut Jason Taylor - cut $8.5 million off the cap and no release fee.

2.) Cut Shawn Springs - cut $8.5 million off cap with only a $2.485 million release fee. Injuries are too much of a concern to pay someone $8.5 million, also this money could be used to shore up the lines and LB which is needed.

3.) Cut Marcus Washington - cut $6.5 million off cap with only $2.2 million release fee. For now we use the linebackers we have left until we can draft or get one via free agency. Injuries are a key reason for the cut.

4.) Cut Erasmus James and save $1 million on cap.

5.) Keep Jon Jansen and wait till release fee lessens in 2010 or 2011 to cut him. It will take a few years to makeover the offensive line anyway so keep him and use him till his release fee is lower and the younger offensive lineman can step in after being groomed by Bugel.

6.) Keep Randy Thomas until 2011 or 2012 - same reason as Jansen to wait until release fee effect lessens. We need to keep dead money to a manageable level.

7.) Keep Andre Carter and ARE as well until release fees are much lower. We cannot do a wholesale changes in one season due to large release fees for a lot of the players on the roster.

8.) Resign Deangelo Hall but not too a crazy contract.

9.) Keep Carlos Rogers and try to resign him next year to a not too crazy contract.

10. Keep Fred Smoot - we need 3 top corners and until we draft another these three should be kept unless some other team is willing to trade draft picks for him.

11.) Keep coaching staff intact - we need to let Zorn have at least 2 years at the helm installing his offense to see if he can suceed - I would say more like 3 years would be fair. IF it still does not work the next regime should start with a new front office and let that new GM pick the coach.

[Soup's Uncle]

[QUOTE=Bill B;516610]


4.) Cut Erasmus James and save $1 million on cap.

QUOTE]

We already did that.

[PennSkinsFan]

Scout Lineman. Drop Jansen, Kendall, Smoot, Washington, Daniels, and Taylor. Oh, scout lineman.

[grantarchy]

Man, looking at those drafts is depressing, especially if you go back and check out some of our drafts in the 1980's, like this one:

1981
1. Mark May, T, Pittsburgh
3. Russ Grimm, G, Pittsburgh
4. Tom Flick, QB, Washington
5. Dexter Manley, DE, Oklahoma St.
6. Larry Kubin, LB, Penn St.
8. Charlie Brown, WR, South Carolina St.
9. Darryl Grant, G, Rice
10. Phil Kessel, QB, Northern Michigan
10. Allan Kennedy, T, Washington St.
11. Jerry Hill, WR, Northern Alabama
12. Clint Didier, WR, Portland St.

[30gut]

Hire this guy:Larry Kirksey
DenverBroncos.com – Official Website Of The Denver Broncos

He might be available since the Broncos fired Shanahan

Larry Kirksey enters his second year as the wide receivers coach for the Texans. He brings over a decade of experience to coaching wide receivers. He has coached three receivers, Jerry Rice (1,549), Jimmy Smith (862) and Terrell Owens (801), that have over 800 receptions in their career.

In his first year with the Texans, Kirksey oversaw a group that had three players top 700 receiving yards, making Houston one of just four teams to achieve that feat. The unit’s depth was tested when two-time Pro Bowl WR Andre Johnson missed seven games due to injury, but fellow receivers Kevin Walter and André Davis stepped up to fill the void. Walter set career highs in receptions, with 65, yards, with 800, and touchdowns, with four. His 65 catches led the team and he was second in receiving yards. Davis emerged as one of the best deep threats in the NFL, averaging nearly 18 yards per catch. Despite playing in just nine games, Johnson once again led the team in receiving yards, with 851, and touchdowns, with eight. Houston’s all-time leading receiver led all NFL receivers with an average of 94.6 yards per game.

[GMScud]

Since Albert Haynesworth made the pro-bowl, per a clause in his contract, he cannot be franchised by the Titans (good move by his agent). ESPN is reporting he and the Titans are engaged in contract negotiations.

I fully expect the Titans to lucratively retain the cornerstone of their bad ass defense.

[Bill B]

[quote=Soup's Uncle;516617]

Originally Posted by Bill B

4.) Cut Erasmus James and save $1 million on cap.

QUOTE]

We already did that.

My bad - it looks like they are on the right track. Also - as far as cutting Shawn Springs - many have said switch him to safety but with Horton on board this is no longer needed so he should be a goner.