JC is not what I thought.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

Zorn is to blame for this game followed by the offensive line. What a pathetic display. I didn't like JC's play but then again when the play calling is shit you produce shit.

Do you think Zorn is taking on too much this early on his head coaching career as not only head coach, but also offensive coordinator and QB coach?

[doughtydoubter]

i said it before...he needs to stop coaching the qbs and start coaching a team

[MTK]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

i said it before...he needs to stop coaching the qbs and start coaching a team

With the way JC looked he might want to spend MORE time with him.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Thats what really has me scratching my head. Since his first year he still doesnt know how to read a defense, not stare down his primary receiver, still cant check down to any other receiver and generally doesnt make quick decisions getting guys the ball in stride the second they are open. Its alot to ask but a quality starting NFL quarterback needs to have this down pat.

Now throw in the WCO where a qb needs to read a D and make quick decisions and we are forcing a round peg into a square hole. I still want JC to excel and he has this year and next to step it up when his contract runs out.

go skins!!!

I don't want to come across as a JC apologist, but a big part of those things (reading defense, not staring down receivers, checking down, making quick decisions) have to do with comfort in the offense. As last season progressed, we saw less and less of that as he grew comfortable in Saunders system. He TRUSTED that people would be where they were supposed to be so he didn't have to stare them down. You don't hear the criticisms from knowledgeable football analysts (Jaws, Aikman) saying Campbell doesn't read defenses well, that's a fan thing. They've all said he needs to be more comfortable and process things faster, AS DO ALL YOUNG QB. He's made fewer than 25 starts, look at his progression vs. others at a similar stage and the sky isn't falling as quickly as you think.

[davy]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

seriously...lets give campbell a game where he has time and the run/pass ratio gives him a chance to win the game and play like hes capable before we all decide to burn him to a cross and send him to be romos backup. He is only doing what his coach told him to do.
Dont hate

Oh the irony!

A user named doughtydoubter appealing for folks not to give up on Campbell.

[doughtydoubter]

Hey just because i dont like doughty doesnt mean i can support other people. my name on here used to be uhohjimoh

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you think Zorn is taking on too much this early on his head coaching career as not only head coach, but also offensive coordinator and QB coach?

I think you can multi-task and he really has nothing to do with the defensive side so his only job is to coach the offense as a unit and the QBs. The problem is he doesn't seem to know what he's doing. Cooley was hardly used and I'm think Cooley and Portis are the guy he would go to early and often.

The thing that really helped me lose confidence in him was clock management down two scores. Calling run plays and taking their time with 4 minuses left?

[budw38]

[quote=davy;472897]Oh the irony!

A user named doughtydoubter appealing for folks not to give up on Campbell.
We did spend , 2 1st's , a 2nd and a 4th for Doughty ,, he should dominate ,,,,,, oh Thats what we gave up for JC ...... we better bring in some fresh blood on our O-DL's next year ,,,, they are not getting any younger .

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't want to come across as a JC apologist, but a big part of those things (reading defense, not staring down receivers, checking down, making quick decisions) have to do with comfort in the offense. As last season progressed, we saw less and less of that as he grew comfortable in Saunders system. He TRUSTED that people would be where they were supposed to be so he didn't have to stare them down. You don't hear the criticisms from knowledgeable football analysts (Jaws, Aikman) saying Campbell doesn't read defenses well, that's a fan thing. They've all said he needs to be more comfortable and process things faster, AS DO ALL YOUNG QB. He's made fewer than 25 starts, look at his progression vs. others at a similar stage and the sky isn't falling as quickly as you think.

Yeah i hear ya and im not saying the sky is falling; just saying in my fan opinion i dont see campbell exhibiting the necessary skills a quarterback needs to excel. My opinion isnt based on 1 game but from what ive seen from him since hes been here. Campbell is a good qb but until it starts to click in his head and he starts processing things faster (aka read a D pre-snap and make quick decisions) he wont be great and in this league you need a great qb to be a real threat.

Now if we didnt have a great core on D i would be running right next to chicken little!!

go skins!!!!

(ps i would be very disappointed if JC doesnt get to start the next 2 years)

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Both lines sucked. Period.

Rhythm is invaluable for a QB and an offense. We couldn't pass protect for shit, and as a result we never got into a rhythm.

As for defense, our line was owned by the Giants. On top of that, we couldn't tackle that son of a bitch Jacobs -- dude's way too big and heavy for our small defense.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I think you can multi-task and he really has nothing to do with the defensive side so his only job is to coach the offense as a unit and the QBs. The problem is he doesn't seem to know what he's doing. Cooley was hardly used and I'm think Cooley and Portis are the guy he would go to early and often.

The thing that really helped me lose confidence in him was clock management down two scores. Calling run plays and taking their time with 4 minuses left?

According to Zorn, he wanted to use Cooley more but got hampered by false starts. The clock management issues were certainly disconcerting. That needs to be improved. On the bright side, no wasted time outs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

Hey just because i dont like doughty doesnt mean i can support other people. my name on here used to be uhohjimoh

Why did you change it? Better said, why did you add a second account?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

Hey just because i dont like doughty doesnt mean i can support other people. my name on here used to be uhohjimoh

Why did you create a new account? Just to change your name? I guess you haven't read the site guidelines because that's an offense that can get you booted.

[pdid5000]

JC is our new PR (patrick ramsey). "give him a chance", "he's young", "give him another year". I want JC to succeed just as much as everyone else but i don't see it happening just like ramsey.

[freddyg12]

I tried to read all of these posts but have to much work to do, so forgive me if I repeat something from another post.

Mike Wise's article in today's wash post really puts JC's dilema in perspective. He's in his 4th year & at a time when he's expected to realize his potential & have that 'break out year.' On the other hand, he's not only in a new system again, he's got a rookie head coach that has never called plays in the nfl before.

I understand people that say he's paid to perfom no matter what. That's true, but it doesn't make it any easier for him to have so many changes. My view of it is, why put it all on JC, the O looked bad in several respects other than some solid running plays.

Last night's problems unfortunately look to go well beyond JC.