JC is not what I thought.

skinsfan69 · 09-05-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

All i can say is Run - Run - Pass. Great job Zorn. Run into the teeth of the defense. end up with a third and 5-6 and do a dump off pass for 4-5 yds.

Zorn Failed to seize the game when the momentum was going the skins way. Once again, as in the past 4 years, he played it conservative.

WHERE THE F-WAS COOOLEY. Alll i saw all game long was campbell looking right and throwing that way.

Someone tell me how this is different than the gibbs system where the skins try to overpower the D with an O that is clearly over matched.

Zorn's early West Coast Offense = Gibbs 3.0
In this league there is not time for a journeyman to lose 2-3 games, while learning how to coach and win.

The running late in the game was a joke. But we had to mix in the run just to try and give our defense some rest. One thing that was apparent was it takes us a gazillion plays just to go 30 yards.

wilsowilso · 09-05-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Like I said before, I thought you were wrong on Manning/Brady. I didn't think you were irrational.

I don't blame you for being frustrated.

I was right on Brady/Manning GTrIpp. Maybe this thread was a little rash?

FRPLG · 09-05-2008, 01:08 AM

Here's what I have noticed. Counting the parts of the pre-season games that had any relevance and this game we have seen several QBs who seem to drop back and get rid of the ball to the first guy on their read very often. It seems they are rather comfortable coming to the line, reading the D and then KNOWING where the best option is. JC does not have this. He seems to have a stone cold progression on every play that he dogmatically follows and invariably the first option isn't open. In this league if your first option isn't open and your line is pass blocking only adequately or worse then your are dead. I counted numerous times where there was a 3/4 option open that JC never got to.

We have to pass protect better to give him a achance to get to these reads.
We have to execute so everyone, most importantly JC, gains comfort so know what to do.
We HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO run the ball with more aggression from our line. They need to start mauling. That will make it much easier for everyone to build a better comfort level.
We have to pray that JC's short comings right now are a result of ignorance and inexperience rather than an inate inability to execute this offense.

GTripp0012 · 09-05-2008, 01:08 AM

I admire Zorn's patience by not forcing anything, and continuing to mix it up when we were trailing. All that is well and good, but we really, really to needed to go no-huddle with 4 minutes left.

Zorn did a great job managing the clock in the first half, so it's totally unfair to say he can't manage the clock after one game. But I'm not giving him a pass for the lack of urgency at the tail end of the 4th quarter. I don't see why it wouldn't improve though.

Paintrain · 09-05-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not so sure about that. Colt really really suprised me this pre season. I didn't think he could play at the NFL level but he looked like he belonged this pre season. He makes fast reads, gets rid of the ball quickly and is very accurate. I'm in no way saying he should be starting but lets see where he is next pre season.

That's about the most rational Colt-love I've seen. If JC completely craps the bed all season, I would be interested to see Colt against starters in the pre-season next year if for nothing more than to truly gauge his ability.

GTripp0012 · 09-05-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I was right on Brady/Manning GTrIpp. Maybe this thread was a little rash?

No, and yes.

Brady-Manning is water under the bridge though, at least for now. People will defend Brady's "clutchiness" to the point of insanity, and it doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm willing to let it go for now -- ultimately it's a matter of opinion no matter how convincing the evidence is on one side or the other...there's always another argument. Plus I'm not 100% convinced that Manning is better. More like, 98.5%

Paintrain · 09-05-2008, 01:15 AM

Did anyone expect Matt Hasselbeck to suddenly emerge in the #17 jersey? It took Hasselbeck 2 years to stop sucking in this offense AFTER he had already learned it in GB. Reality check people, the light may flicker for a while but it will eventually come on..

Jamaican'Skin · 09-05-2008, 01:17 AM

Aww, did I miss out on all the irrationality? Damn, I wanted to add in my two cents. Well better late than never:

Fire Zorn, NOW!!!! Hire the Ole Ball Coach again.

Trade JC and our next two 1st round picks for Charlie Frye. Wonder what Danny Wuerful and Shane Matthews are up to.

wilsowilso · 09-05-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No, and yes.

Brady-Manning is water under the bridge though, at least for now. People will defend Brady's "clutchiness" to the point of insanity, and it doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm willing to let it go for now -- ultimately it's a matter of opinion no matter how convincing the evidence is on one side or the other...there's always another argument. Plus I'm not 100% convinced that Manning is better. More like, 98.5%

You got three rings and the best season by an NFL QB ever to deal with Mr Numbers. Don't tell me you picked Brady for your fantasy team GTripp?

Redskin · 09-05-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

Aww, did I miss out on all the irrationality? Damn, I wanted to add in my two cents. Well better late than never:

Fire Zorn, NOW!!!! Hire the Ole Ball Coach again.

Trade JC and our next two 1st round picks for Charlie Frye. Wonder what Danny Wuerful and Shane Matthews are up to.

We ran to much against a great d-line and didn't pass until we had too and the D knew it, plain and simple.

21 Forever · 09-05-2008, 03:15 AM

HESITATE?!?!?! Didn't Zorn get on him all training camp and preseason to stop patting the ball before he threw? no INT's but shit man, any DB that studies campbell enough knows that ball is coming! I mean, if we threw at all there would've been picks!

bedlamVR · 09-05-2008, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

Put in collins, He spanked the giants 8 months ago, he won 4 in a row, he's still got momentum. He should be this teams captain, he can guide this team better than JC. Having him in is the best chance we have.

Just like in Arizona, sit the sucker, start the veteran

Memory is a funny thing .. Collins Spanked them ? The team spanked them you want to know what Collins stat line in NY was in 2007

Att/Comp Yards TD INT Sacks
8/25 156 6.2 0 0 2

That Guy · 09-05-2008, 06:07 AM

one game, new offense... some people just jack their expectations up way too high.

Beemnseven · 09-05-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Did anyone expect Matt Hasselbeck to suddenly emerge in the #17 jersey? It took Hasselbeck 2 years to stop sucking in this offense AFTER he had already learned it in GB. Reality check people, the light may flicker for a while but it will eventually come on..

So it would be totally unreasonable to expect any competance from Jason Campbell for another two years?

SOUL-SKINS · 09-05-2008, 07:57 AM

Great news guys....Our starting QB is 1-5 in his last 6 starts. Thats pretty good right?
LOSER!!!

09-05-2008, 01:08 AM	#93
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: JC is not what I thought. Here's what I have noticed. Counting the parts of the pre-season games that had any relevance and this game we have seen several QBs who seem to drop back and get rid of the ball to the first guy on their read very often. It seems they are rather comfortable coming to the line, reading the D and then KNOWING where the best option is. JC does not have this. He seems to have a stone cold progression on every play that he dogmatically follows and invariably the first option isn't open. In this league if your first option isn't open and your line is pass blocking only adequately or worse then your are dead. I counted numerous times where there was a 3/4 option open that JC never got to. We have to pass protect better to give him a achance to get to these reads. We have to execute so everyone, most importantly JC, gains comfort so know what to do. We HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO run the ball with more aggression from our line. They need to start mauling. That will make it much easier for everyone to build a better comfort level. We have to pray that JC's short comings right now are a result of ignorance and inexperience rather than an inate inability to execute this offense.

09-05-2008, 01:08 AM	#94
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: JC is not what I thought. I admire Zorn's patience by not forcing anything, and continuing to mix it up when we were trailing. All that is well and good, but we really, really to needed to go no-huddle with 4 minutes left. Zorn did a great job managing the clock in the first half, so it's totally unfair to say he can't manage the clock after one game. But I'm not giving him a pass for the lack of urgency at the tail end of the 4th quarter. I don't see why it wouldn't improve though. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

09-05-2008, 01:15 AM	#97
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: JC is not what I thought. Did anyone expect Matt Hasselbeck to suddenly emerge in the #17 jersey? It took Hasselbeck 2 years to stop sucking in this offense AFTER he had already learned it in GB. Reality check people, the light may flicker for a while but it will eventually come on.. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

09-05-2008, 01:17 AM	#98
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 38 Posts: 2,418	Re: JC is not what I thought. Aww, did I miss out on all the irrationality? Damn, I wanted to add in my two cents. Well better late than never: Fire Zorn, NOW!!!! Hire the Ole Ball Coach again. Trade JC and our next two 1st round picks for Charlie Frye. Wonder what Danny Wuerful and Shane Matthews are up to.

09-05-2008, 03:15 AM	#101
21 Forever Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wilmington, NC Age: 41 Posts: 11	Re: JC is not what I thought. HESITATE?!?!?! Didn't Zorn get on him all training camp and preseason to stop patting the ball before he threw? no INT's but shit man, any DB that studies campbell enough knows that ball is coming! I mean, if we threw at all there would've been picks!

09-05-2008, 06:07 AM	#103
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,567	Re: JC is not what I thought. one game, new offense... some people just jack their expectations up way too high.

09-05-2008, 07:57 AM	#105
SOUL-SKINS Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 896	Re: JC is not what I thought. Great news guys....Our starting QB is 1-5 in his last 6 starts. Thats pretty good right? LOSER!!!

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