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Old 04-24-2008, 01:02 PM   #1
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I have heard a few different versions of this trade offer.. one i also heard is that the Bengals made the offer to the Redskins and we turned them down..
if true, that's cool. I've only read the last few pages of this thread cause it's huge, so I hope this hasn't been said already. This is what I hope the truth is:

Danny & Vinny are allowing the media to carry this story to drive up the price if the Iggles & Boys become serious.

One way this could've developed is that Danny might've said to the bengals "suppose I offer you 2 picks, 1st & 3rd" but not actually offerred it. Then the bengals said no, it's leaked to the papers as an "offer" but in reality was just part of a discussion. It happens all the time in negotiations that someone will throw an idea out to gauge the price, that doesn't mean a tangible offer is made.

Another possibility is that the Skins knew the bengals would rebuff the offer due to the cap hit, so they throw it out now, draft a wr, then after June 1 if the bengals are willing to deal, they barter the price down based on the fact that they drafted a wr, the cap hit is lower & that CJ's value has declined to us.

Unfortunately, it looks like from what we've heard over several months that the Skins are interested in CJ. I don't doubt that he is still a major impact player, but the cost is high & he's a loose cannon. I also hope cincy sticks to its word & lets him hold out, then fines him if he comes back.
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if true, that's cool. I've only read the last few pages of this thread cause it's huge, so I hope this hasn't been said already. This is what I hope the truth is:

Danny & Vinny are allowing the media to carry this story to drive up the price if the Iggles & Boys become serious.

One way this could've developed is that Danny might've said to the bengals "suppose I offer you 2 picks, 1st & 3rd" but not actually offerred it. Then the bengals said no, it's leaked to the papers as an "offer" but in reality was just part of a discussion. It happens all the time in negotiations that someone will throw an idea out to gauge the price, that doesn't mean a tangible offer is made.

Another possibility is that the Skins knew the bengals would rebuff the offer due to the cap hit, so they throw it out now, draft a wr, then after June 1 if the bengals are willing to deal, they barter the price down based on the fact that they drafted a wr, the cap hit is lower & that CJ's value has declined to us.

Unfortunately, it looks like from what we've heard over several months that the Skins are interested in CJ. I don't doubt that he is still a major impact player, but the cost is high & he's a loose cannon. I also hope cincy sticks to its word & lets him hold out, then fines him if he comes back.
I think that is a bit too 'cloak and dagger', but nonetheless the result is the same. The Redskins effectively set the market for Chad Johnson and if the Eagles or Cowboys did want to make a play they would have to come bigger than the offer reportedly on the table from the Redskins. If nothing else it might preclude those other teams from making a strong play, or at worst force them to give up, say, a 1st and 2nd in this years draft (as Pat Kirwan has suggested on NFL.com). I said something to that effect on like page 7 http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...tml#post441544, but you said it clearer (but I don't think it was a fake offer, the offer was real, but the result was the same).
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:28 PM   #3
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I'm a results-oriented person. Our strategy of giving up draft picks to acquire big stars has netted us one playoff win since 2000. All I'm saying is that, maybe instead on relying on other teams' stars and sacrificing draft picks, potential future solid performers and salary-cap space, we should try taking all these draft picks we have and using them on young players who, if they aren't starting come September 4, will serve as adequate back-ups upon whom we can rely instead of having to go to the waiver wire or switch players from their natural positions, a la Todd Wade and Lorenzo Alexander.

If we acquire Chad Johnson and he leads us to a Super Bowl, I'll be the first to eat my words. I'm just leery of seeing the Skins once again sink so much into one player when we're not one player away from being a serious Super Bowl contender.
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I'm a results-oriented person. Our strategy of giving up draft picks to acquire big stars has netted us one playoff win since 2000. All I'm saying is that, maybe instead on relying on other teams' stars and sacrificing draft picks, potential future solid performers and salary-cap space, we should try taking all these draft picks we have and using them on young players who, if they aren't starting come September 4, will serve as adequate back-ups upon whom we can rely instead of having to go to the waiver wire or switch players from their natural positions, a la Todd Wade and Lorenzo Alexander.

If we acquire Chad Johnson and he leads us to a Super Bowl, I'll be the first to eat my words. I'm just leery of seeing the Skins once again sink so much into one player when we're not one player away from being a serious Super Bowl contender.
Fair point, and one of the better posts you've made on this thread. Lacking in hyperbole and I can certainly agree with your logic here. Now can we close this thread? It is a vortex from which I cannot escape!
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Fair point, and one of the better posts you've made on this thread. Lacking in hyperbole and I can certainly agree with your logic here. Now can we close this thread? It is a vortex from which I cannot escape!
Sure. I got a headache. At least we can agree on one thing: Go Skins!
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Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

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I'm a results-oriented person. Our strategy of giving up draft picks to acquire big stars has netted us one playoff win since 2000. All I'm saying is that, maybe instead on relying on other teams' stars and sacrificing draft picks, potential future solid performers and salary-cap space, we should try taking all these draft picks we have and using them on young players who, if they aren't starting come September 4, will serve as adequate back-ups upon whom we can rely instead of having to go to the waiver wire or switch players from their natural positions, a la Todd Wade and Lorenzo Alexander.

If we acquire Chad Johnson and he leads us to a Super Bowl, I'll be the first to eat my words. I'm just leery of seeing the Skins once again sink so much into one player when we're not one player away from being a serious Super Bowl contender.
since 2000, what perennial top-5 in his position pro-bowler have the skins acquired?

portis is the only one i think you can put in that category and thats a bit of a stretch. the fact that we gave big time money to could be good players in lloyd n arch (admitted mistakes) shouldnt keep us from not giving big time money for a big time player. im just confused on what "big stars" weve acquired since 2000 that your referring to. its not the money the skins were spending that was our problem but the overpaying for mediocre talent that we got in return imo.

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if true, that's cool. I've only read the last few pages of this thread cause it's huge, so I hope this hasn't been said already. This is what I hope the truth is:

Danny & Vinny are allowing the media to carry this story to drive up the price if the Iggles & Boys become serious.

One way this could've developed is that Danny might've said to the bengals "suppose I offer you 2 picks, 1st & 3rd" but not actually offerred it. Then the bengals said no, it's leaked to the papers as an "offer" but in reality was just part of a discussion. It happens all the time in negotiations that someone will throw an idea out to gauge the price, that doesn't mean a tangible offer is made.

Another possibility is that the Skins knew the bengals would rebuff the offer due to the cap hit, so they throw it out now, draft a wr, then after June 1 if the bengals are willing to deal, they barter the price down based on the fact that they drafted a wr, the cap hit is lower & that CJ's value has declined to us.

Unfortunately, it looks like from what we've heard over several months that the Skins are interested in CJ. I don't doubt that he is still a major impact player, but the cost is high & he's a loose cannon. I also hope cincy sticks to its word & lets him hold out, then fines him if he comes back.
i dont see how us drafting a wr would make the bengals more inclined to trade him to us for less than what we have already reportedly offered considering there are rumored to be other teams interested as well. but i do agree with you and all the "experts" who say the bengals might be more willing to deal after april when CJ's cap hit would be lower.
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i dont see how us drafting a wr would make the bengals more inclined to trade him to us for less than what we have already reportedly offered considering there are rumored to be other teams interested as well. but i do agree with you and all the "experts" who say the bengals might be more willing to deal after april when CJ's cap hit would be lower.
I thought the cap hit would be lower after June 1?
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I thought the cap hit would be lower after June 1?
sorry, after june the bengals would be more willing to trade not april , you are correct. but cant the bengals designate him now as a june 1 cut and prorate it or do they have to wait till June?
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sorry, after june the bengals would be more willing to trade not april , you are correct. but cant the bengals designate him now as a june 1 cut and prorate it or do they have to wait till June?
They don't have to wait, all they have to do is designate him as a June 1 move like we did with Lloyd. But then again I'm not sure exactly if that only applies to releasing players, not trading them.
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Johnson suitors lining up

Chad Johnson | Bengals | Interested: Redskins? Raiders? Eagles? Cowboys?
The Redskins' trade offer for Johnson (this year's first-round pick and a conditional third-rounder in 2009) could open the floodgates for more to come, writes James Walker.

The Bengals have been steadfast in saying they won't trade the disgruntled wide receiver, but expect more teams to follow Washington's lead and tempt Cincinnati to pull the trigger.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that the Eagles and Cowboys have made brief inquires into Johnson's availability. Perhaps they will be the next in line to put together offers comparable or better than the one made by their division rival.

This seems very sketchy to me. No team wants CJ more then the Skins' and I doubt anyteam is willing to ante up as much as the Redskins are to get CJ. The Cowboys could do it, but as I pointed out before, Mike Brown turned down 3 first round picks, 1 second, 1 third, and other picks all so he could draft Akili Smith. The guys an idiot.

Rejecting Chad trade really no surprise | Chick Ludwig At Large
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