Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

By the way the Patriots only gave up a 4th round pick for Randy Moss.

Peerless Price was traded for a 1st. So what's your point?

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Peerless Price was traded for a 1st. So what's your point?

ouch!!!!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Peerless Price was traded for a 1st. So what's your point?

My point is that, we can be as dumb to give either 2 first rounders or 1st and 3rd rounder as the team that gave a 1st rounder for Peerless Price.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

My point is that, we can be as dumb to give either 2 first rounders or 1st and 3rd rounder as the team that gave a 1st rounder for Peerless Price.

So you dont think that CJ is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

So you dont think that CJ is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder

Nope. I would shell that for a more physical, younger and better WR. ROY WILLIAMS!! If Roy W. had Carson Palmer as QB he's stats would be better than CJ's.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Nope. I would shell that for a more physical, younger and better WR. ROY WILLIAMS!! If Roy W. had Carson Palmer as QB he's stats would be better than CJ's.

That is crazy if you honestly think that Roy Williams is better than Chad Johnson

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

That is crazy if you honestly think that Roy Williams is better than Chad Johnson

I think he is. Look who's throwing the ball to Williams and who to Johnson. Carson Palmer vs. Jon Kitna, no contest.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think he is. Look who's throwing the ball to Williams and who to Johnson. Carson Palmer vs. Jon Kitna, no contest.

OK, fine one more post. This one is just too obvious. Jon Kitna was the Bengals starting QB from 2001 to 2003. In 2002 Johnson had 1,166 yards and 5 tds. In 2003 he had 1,355 yards and 10 tds. QB has not been Roy Williams' problem, staying healthy and remaining consistent has - which I would think would raise some issues for Skins fans .....

Did anyone see that the Bengals refused the trade and are being pretty steadfast in that stance? Just checking cause it is tough to tell from this thread.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

9 picks, but only 3-4 of them will actually be used when there is some legitimate NFL talent on the board. We would be cutting that number down to 2-3, and we simply can't afford to do that.

9 picks are nice but the final 5 can't really be expected to be anything above special teamers for us. If they are, great, but it's not a good plan.

So Chad Johnson doesn't count as legitimate NFL talent now? I know that you wouldn't argue that, but it is a corollary of the point you are making. Giving up a 1st for Johnson gives us an elite NFL talent at a position of need plus 2-3 more picks to get other NFL talent ... and I think you discard the later picks too easily btw.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think he is. Look who's throwing the ball to Williams and who to Johnson. Carson Palmer vs. Jon Kitna, no contest.

Doesnt mean that much look who threw the ball to Steve Smith. Chad Johnson is faster, has better hands, runs better routes, and is a better all around player

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Nope. I would shell that for a more physical, younger and better WR. ROY WILLIAMS!! If Roy W. had Carson Palmer as QB he's stats would be better than CJ's.

Well I think Roy Williams is a great WR, but let's not canonize him while demonizing CJ. We shouldn't complain about CJ's celebrations while forgetting this.

When Albom asked Williams why he celebrated a reception with his team already trailing by two scores, Williams responded, "I celebrate first downs all the time. I'm not gonna stop that. I'm an exciting player. If I do something exciting, I'm gonna show my actions."

Albom responded, "But you were losing, 10-0."

"What does that mean? ... That means nothing to me. The score means nothing," Williams told Albom.

ESPN - Lions' Roy Williams says 'score means nothing' - NFL

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I think Roy Williams is a great WR, but let's not canonize him while demonizing CJ. We shouldn't complain about CJ's celebrations while forgetting this.



ESPN - Lions' Roy Williams says 'score means nothing' - NFL

Williams is a tremendous talent, and a when healthy can dominate. He has, however, had difficulty remaining healthy apart from the year he made the Pro Bowl and he can disappear for games at a time. I think if people looked really really hard at Williams - the way they have at Johnson - they would see a supreme talent who has been less consistent, less productive, and more injury prone than Johnson. Not saying I wouldn't want Williams (though his team also insists he won't be traded, so why not wait a year and target him and Colston?) but I wouldn't want to make as big an offer for him as I would for Johnson.

Roy Williams: Game Logs

Chad Johnson: Game Logs

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Nope. I would shell that for a more physical, younger and better WR. ROY WILLIAMS!! If Roy W. had Carson Palmer as QB he's stats would be better than CJ's.

I think your giving Palmer more credit then he deserves. Lets see how he does with only one #1 WR to throw to and teams doubling up on that one WR.

Even though some of you don't think he put up the numbers he did exeptionally better then our WR's in yrds and put himself in the top 3 WR's. We have not one on the Skins in the top 30.

and yes we do have other needs. Those other needs can be met in the 2nd round and the two picks we have in the 3rd round. We all know this yrs draft class is deep in DE/DL, S, G, CB. Everyone is talking about how after the first two or three WR all the rest drop off significantly. Basically your looking for the diamond in the rough.

The 3rd round pick was for next yr. Which will not effect us this yr. We would still have 2 third round picks.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

So you dont think that CJ is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder

Not when we have more pressing needs at other positions.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by KB24

Not when we have more pressing needs at other positions.

Never said that we should do it even though we are only losing one pick this year and one pick next year.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by KB24

Not when we have more pressing needs at other positions.

Chad would address a big need for a legitimate #1 WR. And would leave us 8 other picks to address other needs. This is one 2008 draft pick. If we could get Chris Long to address the pass rush that would be one thing, but Phillip Merling/Calais Campbell weren't even dominate pass rushers last year at the college level. Maybe we get Lawrence Jackson in the 2nd. This isn't a Ricky Williams/Hershel Walker deal ... we'll have other picks - 3 in the first 3 rounds - even if we made the trade.

Whatever, I've got to abandon this thread ....