**Rumor** about GW, Rogers, Jansen

[T.O.Killa]

Ok, found this on Extremeskins.com. I answered it, and got no feed back. They take this as fact, and from what I can see they trust this guy.
I responded by questioning, why would the Redskins cut Liegh now. They are signing every bum, out there and they are going to cut, a young speed demon, prospect, that they relied on heavely at the end of the year. Unless he told Snyder to go F*** himself, I dont see that happening. What do you all think. I picked Liegh, because unlike the other stuff, it makes absolutly no sense. here it is:

I know, I know, this is from the ESPN boards , but this poster is actually (one of the precious few) reliables still over there.

Take it FWIW:

Ok so this is what my source just told me...I was on the phone for about 30 mins and this is everything I was told.

*First things first Gregg Williams is expected to be annouced as HC on Monday(ish) or sometime next week

...

*I asked about Saunders...and was told that was a 50/50...Gregg was unhappy with alot of the play calling last season so he may want to fix things offensively...

*As for the Defense: Expect most of the players to stay...Macklin will most likely be released and Leigh Torrence may as well...

*This came as a shock to me but Springs will probably still be here next season because I was told that the outlook on Carlos Rogers was not good...Trainers are not optimistic on him coming back next season because he has lost so much muscle in his legs from the surgery and he is still limping around quite abit...

...

*Another big surprise I was told was that Jon Jansen may be released...this is not 100% but thats what the feeling is right now because of his big price tag

*The last thing I was told is that Gregg Williams will push for a CB in the 1st round


***Oh and for the newbies on this board who question if I have a source just ask the other board members on here who have done the same and got embarrassed when the info I reported actually was true...


complete post and thread can be found here:
http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb...d=2232392&lid=2

[Schneed10]

The part about Jansen doesn't make sense. His contract would eat up more salary cap space in 2008 if we cut him than if we keep him on the roster.

[GridIron26]

Well, I really do hope the news about GW becoming head coach is true.. As for Jansen, I don't see how it is possible to release him - considering our T depth.. Only decent back up we got is Heyer, if we release Jansen which means we will go to Heyer unless we are planning to get a T thr FA?

Actually, I can say I can't blame GW for planning to draft CB this year.. We draft a good rookie and use Springs to groom him.. By the time Springs is gone, we would already have good cb along with improved Fred Smoot and healthy Carlos Rogers.. Which would solidify defense for years and years.. We always can use other rounds on WR and O-line..

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The part about Jansen doesn't make sense. His contract would eat up more salary cap space in 2008 if we cut him than if we keep him on the roster.

I fully agree, but if he were just finished and they knew more than us, it is possible. But the thing that just makes no sense to me, is releasing Torrence. I mean why, they dont release guy like Torrence in the off season. Macklin does not need to be released, because he is a free agent. Seems pretty bogus.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I fully agree, but if he were just finished and they knew more than us, it is possible. But the thing that just makes no sense to me, is releasing Torrence. I mean why, they dont release guy like Torrence in the off season. Macklin does not need to be released, because he is a free agent. Seems pretty bogus.

its way to early to speculate about people getting released...I'm not sure how much of this I buy

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Ok, found this on Extremeskins.com. I answered it, and got no feed back. They take this as fact, and from what I can see they trust this guy.
I responded by questioning, why would the Redskins cut Liegh now. They are signing every bum, out there and they are going to cut, a young speed demon, prospect, that they relied on heavely at the end of the year. Unless he told Snyder to go F*** himself, I dont see that happening. What do you all think. I picked Liegh, because unlike the other stuff, it makes absolutly no sense. here it is:

I know, I know, this is from the ESPN boards , but this poster is actually (one of the precious few) reliables still over there.

Take it FWIW:

Ok so this is what my source just told me...I was on the phone for about 30 mins and this is everything I was told.

*First things first Gregg Williams is expected to be annouced as HC on Monday(ish) or sometime next week

...

*I asked about Saunders...and was told that was a 50/50...Gregg was unhappy with alot of the play calling last season so he may want to fix things offensively...

*As for the Defense: Expect most of the players to stay...Macklin will most likely be released and Leigh Torrence may as well...

*This came as a shock to me but Springs will probably still be here next season because I was told that the outlook on Carlos Rogers was not good...Trainers are not optimistic on him coming back next season because he has lost so much muscle in his legs from the surgery and he is still limping around quite abit...

...

*Another big surprise I was told was that Jon Jansen may be released...this is not 100% but thats what the feeling is right now because of his big price tag

*The last thing I was told is that Gregg Williams will push for a CB in the 1st round


***Oh and for the newbies on this board who question if I have a source just ask the other board members on here who have done the same and got embarrassed when the info I reported actually was true...


complete post and thread can be found here:
http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb...d=2232392&lid=2

TO - I don't think cutting Torrence makes much sense either - I mean according to the cap chart on this site Torrence is only due $445k in 2008, so cutting him is not going to save anything on the cap and with the secondary pretty thin I just don't see the sense in doing this.

Also Schneed is dead on with Jansen - makes no sense to cut him now with no savings on the cap and also with depth at tackle so darn thin right now Jansen is needed. Wouldn't it make more sense from a cap perspective to take the hit with cutting Brandon Llyod this year than taking the cap hit from cutting any other high priced player on the Redskins?

[backrow]

I take it FWIW. Rumor!

[BigSKINBauer]

Lots of info there. I do think there is a big possibility that we yet again draft another DB. We will need a CB in the near future and we can get a good one with the 21st pick. I would like to see a DE but i think we might be getting a CB.

[Skinny Tee]

When in life are we ever going to address our DE issue. We've needed pass rushing DE's since our last playoff season in '05. Even when we got A. Carter we were still in need of 2 DE's to increase our pass rush.

We are way behind in this category. It should also be addressed with youth.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

When in life are we ever going to address our DE issue. We've needed pass rushing DE's since our last playoff season in '05. Even when we got A. Carter we were still in need of 2 DE's to increase our pass rush.

We are way behind in this category. It should also be addressed with youth.

IMO you build along the lines before drafting little guys. Good pass rush= good pass defense.

[rk3025]

I believe Torrence cost 1.155 per year if we had renewed his option
Was not the best cover man in town

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Ok, found this on Extremeskins.com. I answered it, and got no feed back. They take this as fact, and from what I can see they trust this guy.
I responded by questioning, why would the Redskins cut Liegh now. They are signing every bum, out there and they are going to cut, a young speed demon, prospect, that they relied on heavely at the end of the year. Unless he told Snyder to go F*** himself, I dont see that happening. What do you all think. I picked Liegh, because unlike the other stuff, it makes absolutly no sense. here it is:

I know, I know, this is from the ESPN boards , but this poster is actually (one of the precious few) reliables still over there.

Take it FWIW:

Ok so this is what my source just told me...I was on the phone for about 30 mins and this is everything I was told.

*First things first Gregg Williams is expected to be annouced as HC on Monday(ish) or sometime next week

...

*I asked about Saunders...and was told that was a 50/50...Gregg was unhappy with alot of the play calling last season so he may want to fix things offensively...

*As for the Defense: Expect most of the players to stay...Macklin will most likely be released and Leigh Torrence may as well...

*This came as a shock to me but Springs will probably still be here next season because I was told that the outlook on Carlos Rogers was not good...Trainers are not optimistic on him coming back next season because he has lost so much muscle in his legs from the surgery and he is still limping around quite abit...

...

*Another big surprise I was told was that Jon Jansen may be released...this is not 100% but thats what the feeling is right now because of his big price tag

*The last thing I was told is that Gregg Williams will push for a CB in the 1st round


***Oh and for the newbies on this board who question if I have a source just ask the other board members on here who have done the same and got embarrassed when the info I reported actually was true...


complete post and thread can be found here:
http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb...d=2232392&lid=2

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by rk3025

I believe Torrence cost 1.155 per year if we had renewed his option
Was not the best cover man in town

Well, that would make this rumor, more believable to me, but how in the hell would torrence get(undrafted free agent) get a contract like that. Although, when I look at the Warpath cap sheets, it looks like he has a minimum contract.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

IMO you build along the lines before drafting little guys. Good pass rush= good pass defense.

I agree 69, unfortunately Williams does not. He sees the LB's and DB's as the key to defenses, with multiple blitz packages able to make up for a weak pass rush. While his schemes seemingly work (the man consistently has his defenses ranked top 10 in the leauge, and this goes back to his days in Buffalo), there is one major weakness: turnovers. Pass rushers=turnovers, both QB fumbles and INTs. Historically, Williams' defenses have been unable to produce turnovers proportional to the defensive ranking.

I think the best case scenario would be for someone in the FO to overule Williams (am I actually suggesting this?) and draft (or sign) a nasty pass rusher.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Well, that would make this rumor, more believable to me, but how in the hell would torrence get(undrafted free agent) get a contract like that. Although, when I look at the Warpath cap sheets, it looks like he has a minimum contract.

That contract dollar amount IS NOT per year it was a 3 year deal,
3 years/$1.162M/$7K LTBE in 2007.

His base salary for 08 would we $445,000. With 0 release fee monies. IMO its HIGHLY debatable if LT is even worth that.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

That contract dollar amount IS NOT per year it was a 3 year deal,
3 years/$1.162M/$7K LTBE in 2007.

His base salary for 08 would we $445,000. With 0 release fee monies. IMO its HIGHLY debatable if LT is even worth that.

Well, I disagree, that he is not worth that. He was very good on special teams and improved every game. If the Redskins keep him though pre season and release him if he does not make the team, he stills cost nothing against the cap.