For everyone that didn't give up!

[Schneed10]

I'm going to go ahead and call this thread retarded.

What so many people fail to realize - and it's the reason we've had this stupid divide on the site between "Kool Aid drinkers" and "Haterade drinkers" - is that there is a huge distinction between what you THINK will happen and what you WANT (or hope) to happen.

There's not a single one of us who stopped watching the games, stopped reading everything we could about the team, stopped discussing the team, or started cheering for another team. We all remained devoted fans. That's the one thing we all have in common here.

Our only differences throughout the year were in our opinions of how good the team was. Being a fan does not mean you think they're always going to win. Being a fan means you love them, whether they win or lose.

Retarded thread. Please start getting what it means to be a fan.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to go ahead and call this thread retarded.

What so many people fail to realize - and it's the reason we've had this stupid divide on the site between "Kool Aid drinkers" and "Haterade drinkers" - is that there is a huge distinction between what you THINK will happen and what you WANT (or hope) to happen.

There's not a single one of us who stopped watching the games, stopped reading everything we could about the team, stopped discussing the team, or started cheering for another team. We all remained devoted fans. That's the one thing we all have in common here.

Our only differences throughout the year were in our opinions of how good the team was. Being a fan does not mean you think they're always going to win. Being a fan means you love them, whether they win or lose.

Retarded thread. Please start getting what it means to be a fan.

Amen...preach on...preach on.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to go ahead and call this thread retarded.

What so many people fail to realize - and it's the reason we've had this stupid divide on the site between "Kool Aid drinkers" and "Haterade drinkers" - is that there is a huge distinction between what you THINK will happen and what you WANT (or hope) to happen.

There's not a single one of us who stopped watching the games, stopped reading everything we could about the team, stopped discussing the team, or started cheering for another team. We all remained devoted fans. That's the one thing we all have in common here.

Our only differences throughout the year were in our opinions of how good the team was. Being a fan does not mean you think they're always going to win. Being a fan means you love them, whether they win or lose.

Retarded thread. Please start getting what it means to be a fan.

That's the most sane post I've read so far in this thread.

Case in point: as a die hard fan for decades I obviously watched this season's matchup with the Patriots. Did I want us to win? Absolutely! Did I hope that we'd win? Of course! Did I watch every last down and second of the game? As always.

But did I honestly think that we would beat what is possibly the best football team of the modern era? Hell no. Common sense says we'd get our asses kicked, and we did.

Why some people can't grasp this concept is beyond me. Being a fan does not mean you turn your brain off and float around on hope and warm fuzzy feelings. You can be a fan and be rational at the same time, believe it or not.

Honestly, this thread is no different than that stupid "Amnesty for Kool-Aid Drinkers" debacle of a couple weeks ago.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Why some people can't grasp this concept is beyond me. Being a fan does not mean you turn your brain off and float around on hope and warm fuzzy feelings. You can be a fan and be rational at the same time, believe it or not.

Sure you can, if I can do it so can you?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

That's the most sane post I've read so far in this thread.

Case in point: as a die hard fan for decades I obviously watched this season's matchup with the Patriots. Did I want us to win? Absolutely! Did I hope that we'd win? Of course! Did I watch every last down and second of the game? As always.

But did I honestly think that we would beat what is possibly the best football team of the modern era? Hell no. Common sense says we'd get our asses kicked, and we did.

Why some people can't grasp this concept is beyond me. Being a fan does not mean you turn your brain off and float around on hope and warm fuzzy feelings. You can be a fan and be rational at the same time, believe it or not.

Honestly, this thread is no different than that stupid "Amnesty for Kool-Aid Drinkers" debacle of a couple weeks ago.

LOL yeah, and how retarded does that thread look now?!

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to go ahead and call this thread retarded.

What so many people fail to realize - and it's the reason we've had this stupid divide on the site between "Kool Aid drinkers" and "Haterade drinkers" - is that there is a huge distinction between what you THINK will happen and what you WANT (or hope) to happen.

There's not a single one of us who stopped watching the games, stopped reading everything we could about the team, stopped discussing the team, or started cheering for another team. We all remained devoted fans. That's the one thing we all have in common here.

Our only differences throughout the year were in our opinions of how good the team was. Being a fan does not mean you think they're always going to win. Being a fan means you love them, whether they win or lose.

Retarded thread. Please start getting what it means to be a fan.

Well said!

I think if you are still coming to this site you are a true fan.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to go ahead and call this thread retarded.

What so many people fail to realize - and it's the reason we've had this stupid divide on the site between "Kool Aid drinkers" and "Haterade drinkers" - is that there is a huge distinction between what you THINK will happen and what you WANT (or hope) to happen.

There's not a single one of us who stopped watching the games, stopped reading everything we could about the team, stopped discussing the team, or started cheering for another team. We all remained devoted fans. That's the one thing we all have in common here.

Our only differences throughout the year were in our opinions of how good the team was. Being a fan does not mean you think they're always going to win. Being a fan means you love them, whether they win or lose.

Retarded thread. Please start getting what it means to be a fan.

However, there are those who mocked others for having faith. And who did not, and still do not, allow many of us to enjoy victories. There's always some caveat. Until recently, every victory is sort of quickly brushed aside so we can complain about this, that, and the other.

I mean it is what it is, and I agree that being a fan doesn't always mean you think they're going to win. Nor does it mean you should belittle those that do, or vice-versa. But there are people here (Redskins fans) who always pick the Redskins to lose. And I honestly have a hard time sharing in the joys of victory with them. Not that they care, I'm just saying

Either way, the important thing to me (and I'm sure all would agree with this) is that my favorite team is on a hot streak and one win away from the playoffs. It really doesn't matter to me who else is or isn't a fan.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

However, there are those who mocked others for having faith. And who did not, and still do not, allow many of us to enjoy victories. There's always some caveat. Until recently, every victory is sort of quickly brushed aside so we can complain about this, that, and the other.

I mean it is what it is, and I agree that being a fan doesn't always mean you think they're going to win. Nor does it mean you should belittle those that do, or vice-versa. But there are people here (Redskins fans) who always pick the Redskins to lose. And I honestly have a hard time sharing in the joys of victory with them. Not that they care, I'm just saying

Either way, the important thing to me (and I'm sure all would agree with this) is that my favorite team is on a hot streak and one win away from the playoffs. It really doesn't matter to me who else is or isn't a fan.

Both sides piss me off. I guess I'm the only one here who falls somewhere in the middle, everyone else is either drinking "Kool-Aid" or "Hateraid."

The finger pointing, name calling and "nah nah nah I told you so" from BOTH sides is asinine.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Both sides piss me off. I guess I'm the only one here who falls somewhere in the middle, everyone else is either drinking "Kool-Aid" or "Hateraid."

The finger pointing, name calling and "nah nah nah I told you so" from BOTH sides is asinine.

I'm also not in either of the "Kool Aid" or "Haterade" camps. I'm in the camp of what I think makes sense.

Four weeks ago, I didn't think we could beat anybody. Today, I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the SB with the way we're playing. Was wrong on the first one, might be wrong on the second, who knows. But no matter what I think, I never stopped hoping and I never stopped cheering.

To those who want to bask in a victory without reading negativity, I say this: Don't come to a forum where opinions can be expressed freely. People may not think the same things you do about the team. If that brings you down, don't come here. Because this is a place where KNOWLEDGEABLE discussion should always be taking place. Knowledgeable discussion comes from various opinions. So if you want to simply bask in a victory, stick with people who are of like mind. Don't come here, where people will look at it from different viewpoints.

And to those who want to criticize fanhood one way or another, you're off-base. Our love of the team is the ONE THING we all have in common, no matter what we think.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

To those who want to bask in a victory without reading negativity, I say this: Don't come to a forum where opinions can be expressed freely.

Well to be fair, I think the same thing should be implied to those who don't wish to see the post basking in victory. I mean, like it or not, there's going to be overly optimistic, overly pessimistic, and middle ground Redskins fans on this forum. The extremists are going to clash, but I believe several of us have been here long enough to know which members contribute worthwhile posts here and those who are wastes of bandwidth. And again, there is probably not one single person here who does not think of himself/herself as a realist, whether if they look at things optimistically or pessimistically. Besides, realism and pessimism are not one in the same.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm also not in either of the "Kool Aid" or "Haterade" camps. I'm in the camp of what I think makes sense.

Four weeks ago, I didn't think we could beat anybody. Today, I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the SB with the way we're playing. Was wrong on the first one, might be wrong on the second, who knows. But no matter what I think, I never stopped hoping and I never stopped cheering.

To those who want to bask in a victory without reading negativity, I say this: Don't come to a forum where opinions can be expressed freely. People may not think the same things you do about the team. If that brings you down, don't come here. Because this is a place where KNOWLEDGEABLE discussion should always be taking place. Knowledgeable discussion comes from various opinions. So if you want to simply bask in a victory, stick with people who are of like mind. Don't come here, where people will look at it from different viewpoints.

And to those who want to criticize fanhood one way or another, you're off-base. Our love of the team is the ONE THING we all have in common, no matter what we think.

one of the best lines ever posted here. and lord knows schneed and i don't agree on much

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

However, there are those who mocked others for having faith. And who did not, and still do not, allow many of us to enjoy victories. There's always some caveat. Until recently, every victory is sort of quickly brushed aside so we can complain about this, that, and the other.

Where people deserve to be mocked is if they come on here and simply say "I think we'll win because I just believe we will." Or something like that. There is no rational thought there, there is no knowledgeable discussion there. If I see someone say something like that, I promise you I will mock them. Someone who says that cannot say "I told you so" when the Skins win, because they really had no idea.

But if you say I think we'll win because (take your pick), Joe Gibbs' record in December is awesome, Al Saunders can plan a better strategic gameplan with Collins at the helm, Jason Fabini and Stephon Heyer are run blocking well enough for us to run to either side effectively, Portis and Moss are playing their best football for Sean Taylor's memory, Reed Doughty is playing well enough to allow Landry to roam at FS, our defensive line is playing the run extremely well, etc. etc., then you've got a valid argument and nobody can mock you. You've participated in knowledgeable discussion.

Now I know most of you, especially you SS so this is in no way directed at you, provide that rational thought and knowledgeable discussion. And yet there are a few morons who still mock you. That makes no sense. Those morons should get negative rep points, and I'd cheer you as mods if you banned them, quite frankly.

I'm on neither side. I only want knowledgeable discussion. If you come around saying things with no meat or substance to them, you deserve to be mocked, no matter which side of the fence (Kool Aid or Hater) you live on.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Where people deserve to be mocked is if they come on here and simply say "I think we'll win because I just believe we will." Or something like that. There is no rational thought there, there is no knowledgeable discussion there. If I see someone say something like that, I promise you I will mock them. Someone who says that cannot say "I told you so" when the Skins win, because they really had no idea.

But if you say I think we'll win because (take your pick), Joe Gibbs' record in December is awesome, Al Saunders can plan a better strategic gameplan with Collins at the helm, Jason Fabini and Stephon Heyer are run blocking well enough for us to run to either side effectively, Portis and Moss are playing their best football for Sean Taylor's memory, Reed Doughty is playing well enough to allow Landry to roam at FS, our defensive line is playing the run extremely well, etc. etc., then you've got a valid argument and nobody can mock you. You've participated in knowledgeable discussion.

Now I know most of you, especially you SS so this is in no way directed at you, provide that rational thought and knowledgeable discussion. And yet there are a few morons who still mock you. That makes no sense. Those morons should get negative rep points, and I'd cheer you as mods if you banned them, quite frankly.

I'm on neither side. I only want knowledgeable discussion. If you come around saying things with no meat or substance to them, you deserve to be mocked, no matter which side of the fence (Kool Aid or Hater) you live on.

What the heck is wrong with a fan picking his team just becasue he believes they will win. Why does someone always have to have a reason for picking their team to win? I could never pick another team to beat the skins NO MATTER WHAT. I always believe that if we put a team on the field we have a chance to win, period. Yes there are games like last week against the Vikes I said if we stop the run their QB cannot beat us and we have a big win. There are some games that I think will be very tough for us to win and we are out matched in ever part of the game but I still would not pick the other team to beat us. I think that we see people on this site who try and play Mr Know It All and pick against their team followed by a long list of reasons. Thats what I don't get. I don't care what the reasons are for us to loose as a fan I still always believe we can win.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What the heck is wrong with a fan picking his team just becasue he believes they will win. Why does someone always have to have a reason for picking their team to win? I could never pick another team to beat the skins NO MATTER WHAT. I always believe that if we put a team on the field we have a chance to win, period. Yes there are games like last week against the Vikes I said if we stop the run their QB cannot beat us and we have a big win. There are some games that I think will be very tough for us to win and we are out matched in ever part of the game but I still would not pick the other team to beat us. I think that we see people on this site who try and play Mr Know It All and pick against their team followed by a long list of reasons. Thats what I don't get. I don't care what the reasons are for us to loose as a fan I still always believe we can win.

That's not making a pick. That's rooting. Making a pick is saying what you THINK will happen. Rooting is what you WANT to happen. If you think we're outmatched in every phase of the game, then you think we're not likely to win the game. You just won't say so publicly because for some strange reason you tie fanhood to positive thinking. That makes no sense.

If you can't give an honest assessment of the team, and you're just going to express hope all the time, why should your opinions be considered relevant? You're just blowing hot air on the boards.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to go ahead and call this thread retarded.

What so many people fail to realize - and it's the reason we've had this stupid divide on the site between "Kool Aid drinkers" and "Haterade drinkers" - is that there is a huge distinction between what you THINK will happen and what you WANT (or hope) to happen.

There's not a single one of us who stopped watching the games, stopped reading everything we could about the team, stopped discussing the team, or started cheering for another team. We all remained devoted fans. That's the one thing we all have in common here.

Our only differences throughout the year were in our opinions of how good the team was. Being a fan does not mean you think they're always going to win. Being a fan means you love them, whether they win or lose.

Retarded thread. Please start getting what it means to be a fan.

I think you are generalizing hope with being a homer.

It doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to sit back after the Bills loss and be like "if we beat a bad Bears team, a reeling Giants team, and a Vikings team that lacks balance, we will be 8-7 and in great playoff position." However, there were only a handful of people on this fourm who had the aptitude/foresight to think ahead to that point. Those who did (I am one of the ones who did) really aren't all that surprised at the outcome. Fortunate this team has been in recent weeks, but this was not a miracle.

A lot of fourm members deemed the Redskins out of it for certain. I'm not talking about making an educated guess that these guys werent a playoff team, I mean they were very adament and vicious in making sure each and every one of the playoff hopefuls were admonished.

The bottom line of this thread is those people were wrong, ignorant, and stupid in their line of thinking as football fans, and more specifically Redskin fans. This isn't about the people who made a prediction that we would miss the playoffs. This is about those who tried to take solitude in us missing the playoffs and just generally being asses.

They know who they are, but this thread is not stupid.