Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Why do people point to 2005 as some beacon of achievement? Yes, we won 5 straight and a playoff game but in the scheme of his return that's the equivalent to a blind squirrel finding a nut. That's an anomoly to the rest of the time he's been back..

Even with that streak he's still under .500 for his return, has an older team in worse cap shape than what he took over, other than that stretch has not won more than 2 games in a row, has had at least a 3 game losing streak each year, has not improved sideline/time/game management (see timeout gaffe last week) and has lost 15 games where the team has had a 2nd half lead..

Look, I love Gibbs as much as the next guy, was a huge fan during Gibbs 1.0, was crushed when he retired and elated when he came back but let's be real, he's not getting it done this time around and we're no better than we were when he took over..

I'm not trying to complain in the glow of last nights win (although it may seem as such) but even with that we're a game below .500 this year and out of the playoffs (as it stands now).. That's not progress nor what we should expect from a Hall of Fame coach..

you and I are on the same page. for some reason people here want to say year in and year out we are headed in the right direction. We are stuck in neutral as far as I can see. 2 playoffs in 10 years!! that is joke if you want to be lumped into the elite....wait good teams of the NFL. We are lumped in with the Browns, Texans, group. We are not a good team from top to bottom, including the front office. Joe has not done anything since being here. I am right with you on everything you say, but we will get blasted, be prepared.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Nevermind, I was making a very simple point, guess you missed it.

I was asking a serious question, i wanted to hear your answer. seriously. what do you think Joe has done in 4 years that would be a considered a success.
I am not trying to be a smart ass, i truely do want to see your opinion.

[SmootSmack]

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I say there are people that don't allow others to be fans. We'd lost four games in a row and suffered the death of one the best players the leagues has seen in a long long time. And then we finally win, and hold onto our glimmer of hope for a playoff or at the very least a strong finish to the year and a winning record.

Look big picture I know we have issues that need to be addressed. I also know that we have made significant strides in several areas both on and off the field (I'm done pointing them out). But what is so wrong with just enjoying the game and enjoying a win? Why does every game (win or lose) have to be followed by this same damn "conservative play-calling, 2005 was a fraud" discussion?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I say there are people that don't allow others to be fans. We'd lost four games in a row and suffered the death of one the best players the leagues has seen in a long long time. And then we finally win, and hold onto our glimmer of hope for a playoff or at the very least a strong finish to the year and a winning record.

Look big picture I know we have issues that need to be addressed. I also know that we have made significant strides in several areas both on and off the field (I'm done pointing them out). But what is so wrong with just enjoying the game and enjoying a win? Why does every game (win or lose) have to be followed by this same damn "conservative play-calling, 2005 was a fraud" discussion?

the thread is called Should joe go, nothing about last nights game? This discussion started well before last nights game. This has absolutely nothing to do about last nights game. has nothing to do with anyone being a fan or letting people be fans. This was a question asked and we all simply responded. Turst me, I was at the bar until 1 celebrating the win. I can seperate the enjoyment of winning and addressing what I feel is a less than average coaching staff.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Look big picture I know we have issues that need to be addressed. I also know that we have made significant strides in several areas both on and off the field (I'm done pointing them out). But what is so wrong with just enjoying the game and enjoying a win? Why does every game (win or lose) have to be followed by this same damn "conservative play-calling, 2005 was a fraud" discussion?

Some people aren't happy unless everyone around them are miserable.

Give Vince Lombardi these injuries and bad luck and he'd do no better than Joe Gibbs has.

I guess people want Spurrier or Schottenheimer back. Hey, I bet Norv Turner will be looking for a new job in 2008... Oh those glory days.

[SmootSmack]

I know when the thread began. I just think this discussion could have been given a rest for at least a day.

Call me crazy, but I miss the days of coming to the site to just celebrate a win. We can bitch and moan tomorrow. Why can't we just enjoy today?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

the thread is called Should joe go, nothing about last nights game? This discussion started well before last nights game. This has absolutely nothing to do about last nights game. has nothing to do with anyone being a fan or letting people be fans. This was a question asked and we all simply responded. Turst me, I was at the bar until 1 celebrating the win. I can seperate the enjoyment of winning and addressing what I feel is a less than average coaching staff.

So after celebrating a win 3 days after a funeral and 4 days after their last game, in a game where Campbell, Portis, Smoot, Cooley, Thomas were all injured in...you come home and post that the coach should be fired.

I wish I had such a clear-thinking mind...what's your secret? The beer?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

So after celebrating a win 3 days after a funeral and 4 days after their last game, in a game where Campbell, Portis, Smoot, Cooley, Thomas were all injured in...you come home and post that the coach should be fired.

I wish I had such a clear-thinking mind...what's your secret? The beer?

LOL gotta love it

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I know when the thread began. I just think this discussion could have been given a rest for at least a day.

Call me crazy, but I miss the days of coming to the site to just celebrate a win. We can bitch and moan tomorrow. Why can't we just enjoy today?

thats another thread. I'll post my celebritory comments there

[Ocliw]

Loyalty and past achievements only goes so far.

Hell,bring Petibone back for all I care as long as we win games.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Buster

So after celebrating a win 3 days after a funeral and 4 days after their last game, in a game where Campbell, Portis, Smoot, Cooley, Thomas were all injured in...you come home and post that the coach should be fired.

I wish I had such a clear-thinking mind...what's your secret? The beer?

why is it people can't handle the truth. I just dont understand why I get blasted because I feel Joe hasn't done anything worth note since being here. I have asked people to give me an opinion on what they think Joe has done, and no one has offered what they think he has done that is a success. 1 playoff in 4 years isn't something to say we are in the elite teams of the NFL. I dont want to settle for 1 playoff every 5 years. I dont see where this team has progressed in 4 years. I am sorry I dont drink the cool-aid all the time, but dont rag on a guy who doesn't drink from the same fountain. I am stating what I see, what most people see. We are not very good. and I am tired hearing about injuries. That is crap. of the 7 games we lost, 6 we had half time leads, if not 4th quarter leads in the majority of those 6. If the injuries were that devistating we wouldn't have even been in most of those games.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Buster

So after celebrating a win 3 days after a funeral and 4 days after their last game, in a game where Campbell, Portis, Smoot, Cooley, Thomas were all injured in...you come home and post that the coach should be fired.

I wish I had such a clear-thinking mind...what's your secret? The beer?

what the hell does that have to do with anything? I can't celebrate a win. I guess when we were stinking it up with spurrier, Norv, Petibone, marty you never celebrated, then said they should gone the next year. I highly doubt it.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

None?

Guess you forget about Jansen getting his ankle snapped or last night with JC getting rolled up on. Or Rogers shredding his knee, or Thomas tearing a muscle. Not sure what conditioning was going to do for those guys.

Of course I was discounting last nights injury to JC. Hope is OK by the way.

What about Portis, Moss, ARE and even Taylor (prior to the tragedy)? They all had a nagging "tweak" that landed them on the injury report. Seemed like every week the injury reported read like a "who's who" of the Washington Redskins.

How many times did we see. "pull", "strain" or "sprain" on the injury report this season? You have to admit, it was more than MOST teams in the NFL. And those little "naggers" are a direct result of conditioning.

I think most may agree that possibly HALF or even a little more of the injuries could have been minimized with an off-season program.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

what the hell does that have to do with anything? I can't celebrate a win. I guess when we were stinking it up with spurrier, Norv, Petibone, marty you never celebrated, then said they should gone the next year. I highly doubt it.

It's just funny that you say you were "celebrating the win", yet your first postgame comment was saying Gibbs should be fired.

After all the shit that's gone down the past 10 days, I don't know about you but last night's win was a huge freaking relief. And for at least a few days now I'm going to forget about our problems and just bask in the glow of the W.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's just funny that you say you were "celebrating the win", yet your first postgame comment was saying Gibbs should be fired.

After all the shit that's gone down the past 10 days, I don't know about you but last night's win was a huge freaking relief. And for at least a few days now I'm going to forget about our problems and just bask in the glow of the W.

Amen!