Campbell's development curve

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

the Skins now rank 28th in total offense. 25th in yards per rush (3.5) and 25th in passing yards per game. They are 28th in first downs and 22nd in points per game (18). The offense has 13 touchdowns through 7 games.

A lot of that is the opponents that Washington faced. Very few were crappy defenses, and most are fairly established squads.

But do not read too much into that after the NE game, that one game really put a scar on the Redskins rankings on both sides of the ball.

On defense, prior to the New England game, Washington was ranked 5th in total defense in the NFL and the best defense in the NFC east. They were also ranked #1 in the NFL in scoring defense.

After the New England game, the Washington defense is now ranked 12th in the NFL in total defense, ranked 15th in scoring defense and is LAST in the NFC East.

Everyone knows this team is better than those rankings

[SuperFan99]

The Skins have Randle El, Moss, Portis, Cooley . . . That's a lot of talent. There's no reason Campbell should be handcuffed by Gibbs. Let the youn man play!

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Didn't cleveland have the #3 pick in the draft? how were they not terrible? Wasnt ROMEO about to get fired? Don't they still have zero running game and a bad defense?

Don't give me running game numbers please....jamal lewis has been horrible despite one game and in garbage time

In the modern NFL a teams performance in the previous year is no indicator of how they will perform in the next year. Saying Cleveland had the 3rd pick in the draft is completely meaningless. Their defense has been horrible but they certainly have weapons and I gather their o-line is holding up. The comparisons are pointless, however, it is about JC not about anybody else. Before this week he wasn't the problem with the offense. That he played poorly against a Belichick defense shouldn't send everyone jumping off a cliff.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Samuels>Todd Light

I think so. I also agree that Thomas, Cooley and Portis would likely start for the Pats.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

In the modern NFL a teams performance in the previous year is no indicator of how they will perform in the next year. Saying Cleveland had the 3rd pick in the draft is completely meaningless. Their defense has been horrible but they certainly have weapons and I gather their o-line is holding up. The comparisons are pointless, however, it is about JC not about anybody else. Before this week he wasn't the problem with the offense. That he played poorly against a Belichick defense shouldn't send everyone jumping off a cliff.

Well put. I completely agree.

[spurriercoles9]

Its the guys first year running the offense if Troy Aikman was playing with these receivers and this line his first year he would be horrible too.The guy will be ok.At least he does not get rattled and he is tough and coachable .Get rid of B.lloyd!!!!!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by spurriercoles9

Its the guys first year running the offense if Troy Aikman was playing with these receivers and this line his first year he would be horrible too.The guy will be ok.At least he does not get rattled and he is tough and coachable .Get rid of B.lloyd!!!!!

He looked rattled against the Pats but I will add that was the first time I have really seen him rattled. How many time do we have to say Lloyd is not going anywhere this year because of the cap hit we would take.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Alot of people want to make him out to be alot better than what he is right now. I'm optimistic but JC's got to continue to get better.

What's to say that he won't get better? Giants fans have been bitching about Eli for two seasons, but now he's finally looking like a legit NFL quarterback.

Campbell struggles against the best team in football, and now he's not showing people enough? I'm sure everyone would love to see him blow up this week, but it'll be a little tough when there is no running game to speak of, the offensive line is decimated, and receivers drop 40 yard passes. And I personally think he's shown enough to prove he can be successful in the NFL. Mechanics can be coached. Poise and intelligence can't be taught, and Campbell has a lot of both.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

How many of you guys were screaming at the TV when the skins tried 5 or 6 screen plays to Widereicevers in the first half of the game on sunday? I know me and my fellow skins fans I was watching the game with were. Also on the Oline problems they are all centered around not having Jansen and Thomas. The other 3 guys Samuels, Kendall, and Rabach are getting the job done. The 3 fumbles on Sunday were all on Wade. He couldn't block Vrabel. Lord help us if the cowbays line up Ware on Wades side.

[MTK]

I think some people are getting a little ahead of themselves with their expectations of JC's progress. I think he's right about where he should be in terms of development, and in terms of some of the intangibles such as poise he's way ahead of the game.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

How many of you guys were screaming at the TV when the skins tried 5 or 6 screen plays to Widereicevers in the first half of the game on sunday? I know me and my fellow skins fans I was watching the game with were. Also on the Oline problems they are all centered around not having Jansen and Thomas. The other 3 guys Samuels, Kendall, and Rabach are getting the job done. The 3 fumbles on Sunday were all on Wade. He couldn't block Vrabel. Lord help us if the cowbays line up Ware on Wades side.

Wade only got beaten for one of the sacks. The other two were on Mike Sellers, with help from Portis that arrived late. Obviously, the blocking schemes did not account for Vrabel very well.

As for the screens, I was bothered more by the fact that Gibbs never called a stop and go for Moss against Asante Samuel. In the first quarter, it was clear as day that Samuel was jumping the sideline hitch to Moss, yet we never took advantage of that. Sometimes I wonder if Gibbs is watching the same game that we are. God forbid we risk a turnover by throwing a deep sideline pattern to Moss against a CB overplaying the short stuff.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Wade only got beaten for one of the sacks. The other two were on Mike Sellers, with help from Portis that arrived late. Obviously, the blocking schemes did not account for Vrabel very well.

As for the screens, I was bothered more by the fact that Gibbs never called a stop and go for Moss against Asante Samuel. In the first quarter, it was clear as day that Samuel was jumping the sideline hitch to Moss, yet we never took advantage of that. Sometimes I wonder if Gibbs is watching the same game that we are. God forbid we risk a turnover by throwing a deep sideline pattern to Moss against a CB overplaying the short stuff.

Why would Gibbs call anything when Saunders is the one calling the plays?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why would Gibbs call anything when Saunders is the one calling the plays?

Saunders may be calling the plays, but you cannot convince me that Gibbs isn't heavily influencing the conservative nature of the passing game. An earlier poster hit the nail on the head with the ridiculous number of WR screens we threw - NE was jumping all over those by overplaying their CBs near the line. Moss had zero chance to break one of those, and what better way to loosen that aggressive CB coverage than to challenge them downfield?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Saunders may be calling the plays, but you cannot convince me that Gibbs isn't heavily influencing the conservative nature of the passing game. An earlier poster hit the nail on the head with the ridiculous number of WR screens we threw - NE was jumping all over those by overplaying their CBs near the line. Moss had zero chance to break one of those, and what better way to loosen that aggressive CB coverage than to challenge them downfield?

Of course Gibbs is involved with the game plan, but he's not calling the plays.

[#56fanatic]

Our offense is do in large part because Joe doesn't want to RISK any turnovers. Its a high % offense with limited risk, which limits the down field throws and puts much more pressure on cambell to take those shots when they are called and much more pressure to complete them causing over throws or under throws. He is never really in any kind of rhythm in regards to throws of 20+ yards. Its hard to have an effective offense when the reigns are always pulled so tight. With the offensive talent we have we should be able to move the ball mathatically down the field. Eventually Joe must learn that lining up two TE for max protect and 2 WR for routes isnt' working. His big sets to run the ball is fairly predictable. I can think of very few plays this year where I said "wow, wasn't expecting that!" We are very predictable, which enables the defense to take risks knowing whats coming. This year seems to have reverted back to the 2004 antient offensive system. I can only pay coach Joe allows Al to get into a playcalling rythym with AL's plays.