Why It's Not as Simple as Ws vs Ls

Schneed10 · 09-26-2007, 01:44 PM

In fact, I'm changing my signature up in here.

irish · 09-26-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yes, assessing how we played is looking back, but it's not looking back at the result. It's looking back and analyzing the past to try to find a glimpse of the future.

The bolded section proves that you don't think all is lost, and that you are at least taking some positives out of the negative result from Sunday.

Everything is relative in the NFL. To win, you need to play better than your opponents. The question is, can we play better than most of our opponents the rest of the way? I think so; the Giants game did nothing to make me think otherwise.

I dont think all is lost. Its only the 3rd game and there's a lot more football to be played. Sunday was a game the Skins should have won but didnt, thats the way sports go. I suspect they will win a game that they should lose. Shizzle happens.

I think the Skins will play better than some opponents and not better than some. considering they have played 3 games where they looked good in 1 (Phil), terrible in another (NYG) and ok in the 3rd (Mia) it seem like this will be a team that should play around .500.

JWsleep · 09-26-2007, 02:20 PM

The main issue is how well does the TEAM learn from this? Do the coaches adjust, the players develop, does the playcalling and execution improve. That's key. Often, failure is what brings a team together and propels them to better things. Good teams, that is. We'll find out what kind of a team we are.

Longtimefan · 09-26-2007, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yes, assessing how we played is looking back, but it's not looking back at the result. It's looking back and analyzing the past to try to find a glimpse of the future.

The bolded section proves that you don't think all is lost, and that you are at least taking some positives out of the negative result from Sunday.

Everything is relative in the NFL. To win, you need to play better than your opponents. The question is, can we play better than most of our opponents the rest of the way? I think so; the Giants game did nothing to make me think otherwise.

I agree in part Schneed, but I must admit that during the course of Sunday's game I witnessed some disturbing trends that were so erily simular to last year. As we move foreward, I see areas that must be improved in order to be a consistently winning team, and the parts are not in place, and the injuries to key personell are mounting very early in the season.

Our major focus during the off-season was the lack of a pass rush, it reared it's ugly head again on Sunday, and during the stretch where the Giants converted seven cnnsecutive 3rd downs was so reminicient of last years game where they converted eight consecutive, and I mentioned in one of my posts during the offseason, it was something I hoped not to see again.

When coaches coach players to be in the correct place on the field to make plays, THEY MUST MAKE THE PLAY...Case in point, Carlos Rogers was in the proper position to make the play on the TD to Plexico Burress, what did he do? He missed the tackle. I mentioned that play in particular because people place so much emphasis on coaching, and play calling, but it's the players who must execute what the coaches coach. When plays work successfully, the coach and the players are applauded, (nice work, good job) when they don't work, the second guessing begins. It's going to be interesting to see how the remainder of this season shakes out.

SmootSmack · 09-26-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I dont think all is lost. Its only the 3rd game and there's a lot more football to be played. Sunday was a game the Skins should have won but didnt, thats the way sports go. I suspect they will win a game that they should lose. Shizzle happens.

I think the Skins will play better than some opponents and not better than some. considering they have played 3 games where they looked good in 1 (Phil), terrible in another (NYG) and ok in the 3rd (Mia) it seem like this will be a team that should play around .500.

Absolutely agree. The key is can we get those two or three extra wins to push us up to a 10 or 11 win team.

"Shizzle Happens" That's great. I'd love to see Gibbs step up to the podium after a game, say "Shizzle Happens" and then walk off.

SBXVII · 09-26-2007, 08:01 PM

I have been thinking along these same lines. I heard a comment made by one of the radio announcers on Sun. prior to the game that Gibbs knows how to win the games he's supposed to win. I sat there stunned. I remember Gibbs I and I simply don't recall this side of Gibbs. Gibbs is not the type of coach who likes to run up the score and piss off the other team or coach for the second go around. All of Gibbs games were close for the most part and I can remeber getting mad because the games he was supposed to win he would lose. It never seemed to amaze me how we would play down to a bad Cardinals team or a bad Lions team. What I mean is either teams were really pumped to play us or we simply played to the other teams abilities. scores were always close making the games exciting. Even the SB with Miami was close. Gibbs was always touted for his ability to make adjustments during the half, However during Gibb's II, I have seen the lack of adjustments during the half. Gibbs 1 was a noticable difference. It was like looking at a totally different team. Something other coaches talked about all the time. Gibbs 2 I have not seen the half time adjustments. It's like they have a game plan and they are sticking to it. Win or lose. We have seen a noticable half-time Defense adjustment sometimes not for the best but there is an adjustment. As for all who are upset about our 2min drills.....well I have nothing. This was a problem with Gibbs 1. We could move the ball but there was always a stupid mistake. Either not paying attention to the clock or false start (which was few in Gibbs1 because he dispises penalties) or simply bad play calling ie not getting out of bounds to stop the clock. Gibbs is a get ahead from the start and keep the lead. Run the clock out. There is no lets just keep scoring because they might just surmount a come back and come close to beating us. I can remember countless times screaming at the TV wondering why we were not marching down the field and trying to score. I know it gives the Defense a break but get a couple first downs and get down the field. Having said this I would take Gibbs over any of the coaches we have had in the past. He does offer us our best opportunity to win.

SBXVII · 09-26-2007, 08:11 PM

Also please keep in mind the high percentage of teams that go to the pay offs if they start out 2-0 vs 0-2. When I heard the percentage I was stunned. We are going to lose games. It's difficult to win all the games. The team has to learn from this loss and keep finding ways to win games. As Gibbs said all games should be worry some because anyone can pull out a win on any given Sunday. Take a look at the Titans...they almost beat the Colts. They looked to be the better team the whole game. No one expected Houston to look so good this year. I belive everyone is upset mostly because of the many years we went nowhere then make the play offs and everyone had huge expectations. Last year was dipressing. We start off 2-0 and excitement fills the air. SB baby.lol. be patient. good things come to those who wait.

09-26-2007, 01:44 PM	#31
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 44 Posts: 12,416	Re: Why It's Not as Simple as Ws vs Ls In fact, I'm changing my signature up in here. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

09-26-2007, 02:20 PM	#33
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,702	Re: Why It's Not as Simple as Ws vs Ls The main issue is how well does the TEAM learn from this? Do the coaches adjust, the players develop, does the playcalling and execution improve. That's key. Often, failure is what brings a team together and propels them to better things. Good teams, that is. We'll find out what kind of a team we are. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-26-2007, 08:01 PM	#36
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Why It's Not as Simple as Ws vs Ls I have been thinking along these same lines. I heard a comment made by one of the radio announcers on Sun. prior to the game that Gibbs knows how to win the games he's supposed to win. I sat there stunned. I remember Gibbs I and I simply don't recall this side of Gibbs. Gibbs is not the type of coach who likes to run up the score and piss off the other team or coach for the second go around. All of Gibbs games were close for the most part and I can remeber getting mad because the games he was supposed to win he would lose. It never seemed to amaze me how we would play down to a bad Cardinals team or a bad Lions team. What I mean is either teams were really pumped to play us or we simply played to the other teams abilities. scores were always close making the games exciting. Even the SB with Miami was close. Gibbs was always touted for his ability to make adjustments during the half, However during Gibb's II, I have seen the lack of adjustments during the half. Gibbs 1 was a noticable difference. It was like looking at a totally different team. Something other coaches talked about all the time. Gibbs 2 I have not seen the half time adjustments. It's like they have a game plan and they are sticking to it. Win or lose. We have seen a noticable half-time Defense adjustment sometimes not for the best but there is an adjustment. As for all who are upset about our 2min drills.....well I have nothing. This was a problem with Gibbs 1. We could move the ball but there was always a stupid mistake. Either not paying attention to the clock or false start (which was few in Gibbs1 because he dispises penalties) or simply bad play calling ie not getting out of bounds to stop the clock. Gibbs is a get ahead from the start and keep the lead. Run the clock out. There is no lets just keep scoring because they might just surmount a come back and come close to beating us. I can remember countless times screaming at the TV wondering why we were not marching down the field and trying to score. I know it gives the Defense a break but get a couple first downs and get down the field. Having said this I would take Gibbs over any of the coaches we have had in the past. He does offer us our best opportunity to win.

09-26-2007, 08:11 PM	#37
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Why It's Not as Simple as Ws vs Ls Also please keep in mind the high percentage of teams that go to the pay offs if they start out 2-0 vs 0-2. When I heard the percentage I was stunned. We are going to lose games. It's difficult to win all the games. The team has to learn from this loss and keep finding ways to win games. As Gibbs said all games should be worry some because anyone can pull out a win on any given Sunday. Take a look at the Titans...they almost beat the Colts. They looked to be the better team the whole game. No one expected Houston to look so good this year. I belive everyone is upset mostly because of the many years we went nowhere then make the play offs and everyone had huge expectations. Last year was dipressing. We start off 2-0 and excitement fills the air. SB baby.lol. be patient. good things come to those who wait.

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