The I hate the Patriots thread!

[SmootSmack]

I'm with Skinsfan69 on this...sort of. Knowing the defensive signals certainly helped but you still have to be able to execute against it. And I don't think they knew any signals when Ellis Hobbs returned the kickoff 108 yards for a touchdown in week one, or when Ty Law had the INT for a TD in the Super Bowl against the Rams, or when Vinatieri kicked two game-winning Super Bowl field goals. True, you can maybe argue that because they knew the signals the offense was able to march downfield to get in field goal position, (if they were indeed videotaping back then) but AV still has to hit those field goals and they weren't gimmes.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm with Skinsfan69 on this...sort of. Knowing the defensive signals certainly helped but you still have to be able to execute against it. And I don't think they knew any signals when Ellis Hobbs returned the kickoff 108 yards for a touchdown in week one, or when Ty Law had the INT for a TD in the Super Bowl against the Rams, or when Vinatieri kicked two game-winning Super Bowl field goals. True, you can maybe argue that because they knew the signals the offense was able to march downfield to get in field goal position, (if they were indeed videotaping back then) but AV still has to hit those field goals and they weren't gimmes.

No one is arguing what they did hit...they are arguing how they got there. Even just 2 or 3 pivotal plays means a lot in football, and I'm sure they used their info a lot more than just 2 or 3 plays. How many times did the Pats "mysteriously" stop the best offense in the league in that Rams super bowl? Again, we'll never know, but it answers a lot of questions if you ask me.

This conversation boils down to one question:
If it didn't help them, if they didn't use it to cheat, then why do it all?
(nuff said)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No one is arguing what they did hit...they are arguing how they got there. Even just 2 or 3 pivotal plays means a lot in football, and I'm sure they used their info a lot more than just 2 or 3 plays. How many times did the Pats "mysteriously" stop the best offense in the league in that Rams super bowl? Again, we'll never know, but it answers a lot of questions if you ask me.

This conversation boils down to one question:
If it didn't help them, if they didn't use it to cheat, then why do it all?
(nuff said)

See this is what pisses me off. The reason they stoped the Rams is becacuse Mike Martz is a dumbass playcaller. He thinks his pass game is the best thing since sliced bread. The whole game NE played a soft zone with extra DB's. All he had to do was give to Faulk 35 times and run play action off of it and they would have won the game. But he kept calling pass plays, and the Rams WR's kept getting killed. Dumbest game plan I have ever seen.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

See this is what pisses me off. The reason they stoped the Rams is becacuse Mike Martz is a dumbass playcaller. He thinks his pass game is the best thing since sliced bread. The whole game NE played a soft zone with extra DB's. All he had to do was give to Faulk 35 times and run play action off of it and they would have won the game. But he kept calling pass plays, and the Rams WR's kept getting killed. Dumbest game plan I have ever seen.

You can't tell me it's not [i]possible[/b] that they cheated to beat the rams. I'm not saying they did...I'm just not dismissing the possibility they did.

When you get caught doing something as bad as they did, you're entire history and integrity and class comes in to question.
You don't have to like it, but it doesn't make it any more true.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You can't tell me it's not [i]possible[/b] that they cheated to beat the rams. I'm not saying they did...I'm just not dismissing the possibility they did.

When you get caught doing something as bad as they did, you're entire history and integrity and class comes in to question.
You don't have to like it, but it doesn't make it any more true.

If you are a football knowledgeable person, and I assume that you are, you know this cannot affect the outcome of a game. Too much has to happen in a short period of time. Plus if you do your film work, and these guys do their film work, you already know what the other team is running on defense anyway. You see their tendencies and you know what type of blitzes they run. Plus defenses in the NFL move around so much before the snap anyway. So what you get when you lineup is not what you get when the ball is snapped in some cases.

If you play a team that runs the Tampa 2 like TB, Chi. Det or Indy they basically never change what they do. They say "this is what we do beat us." Like I said it's just the media putting all the hype behind it. But I laugh at it cause I know it doesn't really help.

I use to play football many many years ago. Some of our crosstown rivals knew our audibles. They knew "3" was the hot number most of the time. That was the number we used to change a play. So we changed it to 7 or 8 whenver we played them. Instead of saying "3" we say "7, 60, 787, B choice," which is a pass play with play action w/ the rb having an option. It's that simple.

[T.O.Killa]

Screw the cheating bastards.

[T.O.Killa]

Teams I Hate.

1. Dallas
2. New England
3. Giants
4. Eagles

Teams I love.

1. The Redskins
2. Anyone playing Dallas
3. Anyone playing New England
4. The Ravens

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Teams I Hate.

1. Dallas
2. New England
3. Giants
4. Eagles

I'd switch the Eagles and Giants, but other than that...you're on the mark!

I would really hate to see the Pats and Cowpatties in the super bowl, it would be the only super bowl ever I would not watch.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I'd switch the Eagles and Giants, but other than that...you're on the mark!

I would really hate to see the Pats and Cowpatties in the super bowl, it would be the only super bowl ever I would not watch.

I said the Giants first Because we are playing them. That helps the hate build.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Teams I Hate.

1. Dallas
2. New England
3. Giants
4. Eagles

Teams I love.

1. The Redskins
2. Anyone playing Dallas
3. Anyone playing New England
4. The Ravens

The Ravens and Mr. Arrogant Brian Billick???? What's up w/ that?? Talk about painful to watch. Their offense is so pathetic.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The Ravens and Mr. Arrogant Brian Billick???? What's up w/ that?? Talk about painful to watch. Their offense is so pathetic.

Hey, I am a Redskins fan first, but I always pull for local teams.

[Cowell]

The only reason that I really dislike the Patriots is because I have to hear my friend yap about them EVERY DAY. No one likes a pretty much unbeatable team unless it's their own. Honestly if the Redskins were like that there would be "The I hate the Redskins thread!" on 31 team forums.