Don Imus

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Here's my take very quickly. And I have some very strong opinions about incidents like this one. For the record, I think Inus is a jackass and perhaps racist. Although I'm not totally sure about the latter.

But I will say that we have a double standard in today's society. Had it been JayZ or Diddy who said it, we wouldn't have this same reaction. I promise you that.

I think, in part, Imus, is and has been like subject to our present day culture that makes it acceptable for certain people to say things, but when a white man says it, it's immidiately catorgorized as racism or bigotry.

If a Jewish man makes insults to another Jewish man using degrading remarks related to physical characteristics used to describe Jews by the Nazi's, it reveals a deep level of self-hatred , ignorance and a completely absent knowledge of their history. The reason a white person in the public or private sector should be held accountable for a racist remark against a non-white person is because the very language and racist meaning of the terms were created by whites to attempt to justify their superiority over all non-white people. Coon, Sambo, Negro were used to make an entire race feel that they were less than human. This is the history of America in black and white. Rappers are mental casualties of war who were left to survive for themselves in the streets of America with no real understanding of who they are , where they come from and how words can be used to empower or destroy a peoples minds.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

If a Jewish man makes insults to another Jewish man using degrading remarks related to physical characteristics used to describe Jews by the Nazi's, it reveals a deep level of self-hatred , ignorance and a completely absent knowledge of their history. The reason a white person in the public or private sector should be held accountable for a racist remark against a non-white person is because the very language and racist meaning of the terms were created by whites to attempt to justify their superiority over all non-white people. Coon, Sambo, Negro were used to make an entire race feel that they were less than human. This is the history of America in black and white. Rappers are mental casualties of war who were left to survive for themselves in the streets of America with no real understanding of who they are , where they come from and how words can be used to empower or destroy a peoples minds.

Everything you said is on point and historically correct, so I have no bone to pick with this aspect of it. In fact, when something like this does come up, as did with Imus, it tends to be a lot of moving pieces to it and people tend to focus only on the comment(s) itself, as well they should.

I think the problem with Imus' comments, in particular, was that they were so degrading, sexist, and ,yes, racist. That being said, I think blacks tend to get a pass when saying such things and yet consider it base and immoral when a white man pretty much echoes those very sentiments.

In some kind of weird and twisted way, some black or a group of blacks have become an enabler to Imus in his views over the years.

Mike Wilbon wrote a very good article in yesterday's Post about the whole thing.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Mike Wilbon wrote a very good article in yesterday's Post about the whole thing.

Yeah, his article was definately a good one and it seems to confirm that Imus deserved to be fired.

On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't find Mind of Mencia dumb? The guy does nothing but try to appeal to base-level race jokes. Chris Rock makes a lot of such jokes, but his whole career doesn't rest upon them.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Yeah, his article was definately a good one and it seems to confirm that Imus deserved to be fired.

On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't find Mind of Mencia dumb? The guy does nothing but try to appeal to base-level race jokes. Chris Rock makes a lot of such jokes, but his whole career doesn't rest upon them.

I think Mencia and Rock primarily appeal to their respective races. I say primarily because, the certain all attract all colors. But to Mencia...I can take him or leave him.

I mean, not to sound racist, but who are the marquee Hispanic comedians anyway?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think Mencia and Rock primarily appeal to their respective races. I say primarily because, the certain all attract all colors. But to Mencia...I can take him or leave him.

I mean, not to sound racist, but who are the marquee Hispanic comedians anyway?

Well, there's SmootSmack, George Lopez,Redskins_P, Cheech Marin, Jamf, Greg Giraldo, La Conecion Malcolm

Mencia rips off Cosby

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, there's SmootSmack, George Lopez,Redskins_P, Cheech Marin, Jamf, Greg Giraldo, La Conecion Malcolm

Mencia rips off Cosby

Mencia rips off everybody (NSFW: language).

He's just not very talented.