2007 Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists

[irish]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Then why...when he was playing....did practically EVERYONE refer to him as "future hall of famer"???? What changed? Matty has a point. He was quiet and in this day and age, if you are quiet and professional, you don't often get much recognition.

But Monk didnt play in this day and age. He retired in 1995 and was eligible in 2000, that's 7 years ago and the loudmouth player had not developed to the extent it has today. IN fact I think most players were on the quiet side. IMO it just keeps getting worse for Monk because now 12 years after he played his numbers dont compare and he wont promote himself when he needs it most.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by irish

But Monk didnt play in this day and age. He retired in 1995 and was eligible in 2000, that's 7 years ago and the loudmouth player had not developed to the extent it has today. IN fact I think most players were on the quiet side. IMO it just keeps getting worse for Monk because now 12 years after he played his numbers dont compare and he wont promote himself when he needs it most.

That is true. He certainly won't promote himself.

[MTK]

I just don't see how you can retire with the all-time record for receptions, own another impressive mark with 183 consecutive games with at least one reception, be the first WR to eclipse the 100 catch mark in a season when that was simply unheard of, and be called a borderline Hall of Famer.

He's still ranked #6 overall for receptions and #11th in yardage.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Well I mean I love Monk. But there are some great receivers in the league today. And a few who've had more than two seasons of 100+ catches:

Marvin Harrison-115 in 1999, 102 in 2000, 109 in 2001, 143 in 2002

Rod Smith-100 in 2000, 113 in 2001

Randy Moss-106 in 2002, 111 in 2003

Incidentally-Randy Moss (2002) 106 receptions, 12.7 ypc, 7 TDs
Art Monk (1984) 106 receptions, 12.9 ypc, 7 TDs

Harrison deserves the HOF. Smith hasn't been a star, just a reliable guy who played a long time.

Moss never kept it up. He is a cancer to his teams and wasted his incredible talent. 2 or 3 good years does not get you in the HOF...if it did, Bo Jackson would be in.

You can't compare Moss to Monk. Other than being in different eras where records and offenses were different...Monk was a top WR for his entire career and is EXACTLY what a HOFer is defined as.

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by irish

But Monk didnt play in this day and age. He retired in 1995 and was eligible in 2000, that's 7 years ago and the loudmouth player had not developed to the extent it has today. IN fact I think most players were on the quiet side. IMO it just keeps getting worse for Monk because now 12 years after he played his numbers dont compare and he wont promote himself when he needs it most.

Monk's numbers still stack up very nicely against the league's current top recievers. As noted above, there are only five recievers in the entire history of the league with more catches and only 10 with more yardage. How do these numbers not compare?

[Bill B]

If anyone is interested I posted a link below that lists all the HOF voters and if you click on them you can see their stance on Monk. I know there are a lot of unknowns, but at least we can see who is in favor and who is against Monk for some of the voters......

Hall of Fame Voters « The Art Monk Hall of Fame Campaign

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Bill B

If anyone is interested I posted a link below that lists all the HOF voters and if you click on them you can see their stance on Monk. I know there are a lot of unknowns, but at least we can see who is in favor and who is against Monk for some of the voters......

Hall of Fame Voters « The Art Monk Hall of Fame Campaign

I officially hate Dr. Z and Pastabelly. They're the only ones that have a zero vote. F-ing terrible.

[hail_2_da_skins]

1. Paul Tagliabue
2. Art Monk
3. Russ Grimm
4. Ray Guy
5. Richard Dent

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

I officially hate Dr. Z and Pastabelly. They're the only ones that have a zero vote. F-ing terrible.

I can't stand them as well. Also you had to know that the writer from Dallas Rick Gosselin is going to vote against Monk.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Bill B

If anyone is interested I posted a link below that lists all the HOF voters and if you click on them you can see their stance on Monk. I know there are a lot of unknowns, but at least we can see who is in favor and who is against Monk for some of the voters......

Hall of Fame Voters « The Art Monk Hall of Fame Campaign

Its a big suprise that PK is a definitly yes!!!!


Also, you can click on the names of the voters and they give a reason why they voted a certain way.

Cliff Christl says one of the reasons is Monk's # of probowls(3). The probowl is and forever will be a joke. Its a popularity contest, not a prize for the best at his position. He also says Monk was never a big playmaker. Well DUHHHH!! He was neevr asked to be a big playmaker. he was asked to do the little things that make a TEAM great, and at this, he WAS the best!!!

[The Huddle]

Minds are being changed as the indefensible absurdity of the anti-Monk position becomes apparent. I've slammed PK more times than I care to recall but it takes a certain type of man to admit when he's wrong:

Peter King:

Even though Monk retired with the all-time receptions record, I’ve historically been anti-Monk for several reasons. He played 16 seasons and led his own team in receiving six times; only once was he voted first-team All-Pro. I questioned his impact on a team where the running game and Gary Clark, for many years, were the prime targets to stop by opposing defensive coordinators. I know. I watched the Giants do it nine times over four years against Washington. But last year, after a man I’d advocated got in (Harry Carson), veteran NFL writer Len Shapiro from the Washington Post e-mailed me and reminded me that everything Carson meant to the Giants, Monk meant to Washington. The leadership, the selflessness, the durable productivity … all the same. I decided I should re-think my position.
As I made my rounds of training camps this year, I asked veteran coaches about Monk and the one word that kept coming up was “unselfish.” His downfield blocking prowess kept coming up. His long-term numbers were almost Yastrzemski-like (one or two great years, lots of productive ones, very reliable). But when I talked to Joe Gibbs on Friday, the one thing that stood out was the body of work we don’t see — the downfield blocking, the quiet leadership, and this: Unlike his louder receiving mates Clark and Ricky Sanders, Monk, according to Gibbs, never once said he wanted the ball more. “We used him almost as a tight end a lot,” said Gibbs, “and not only did he do it willingly, he was a great blocker for us. If he’d been a squeaky wheel, who knows how many catches Art would have had. But he cared about one thing — the team.”
So many of the things Carson did can’t be quantified. Similarly with Monk. Not only did he lead the NFL in all-time receptions when he retired, but he blocked superbly and was the most important locker-room influence on a three-time Super Bowl champion. I’m voting for him.

[dblanch66]

I believe you have to have little understanding of team, leadership, passion, talent and the game of football to not think Monk belongs in the Hall. That's it. I'm done with this. It's such a no brainer, arguing about it is a waste of any more energy.
Dallas Sucks.

[Redskinhog1963]

Class of 2007 to be selected from list of finalists
(from the hall of fame sight)
January 10, 2007
Bruce Matthews
Paul Tagliabue, Thurman Thomas, Michael Irvin, and Bruce Matthews are among the 17 finalists that will be considered for election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame when the Hall's Board of Selectors meets in Miami, Florida on Saturday, February 3, 2007.
Joining these four finalists, are 11 other modern-era players and two players nominated earlier by the Hall of Fame's Senior Committee. The Senior Committee nominees, announced in August 2006, are former Cleveland Browns guard Gene Hickerson and Detroit Lions tight end Charlie Sanders. The other modern-era player finalists include defensive ends Fred Dean and Richard Dent; guards Russ Grimm and Bob Kuechenberg; punter Ray Guy; wide receivers Art Monk and Andre Reed; linebackers Derrick Thomas and Andre Tippett; cornerback Roger Wehrli; and tackle Gary Zimmerman.

here' the list from the HOF site.tags does'nt have to wailt 5 years because he was the commissioner,rozelle did'nt have to wait 5 years either,and tags does deserve it now,imho.eight ball irvin does'nt to deserve to get in because of the many stupid and dumb things he did off the field when he was still playing!
he deserves to get in of course,but not until he is eligible for the last time.
he'll always be 8 ball irvin too me!