The Portis move in hindsight

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

He didn't fumble this year and he had 3 last year of which 2 were lost for turnovers.

Uhhh... Betts has fumbled three times this season, and the one that was a turnover basically gave the game to the Bucs.

As far as the trade, as many have said, Champ wasn't going to be here regardless, so I don't think there's even an argument as to whether is was a good move or not. And it's funny to me that the same people that want to claim Portis isn't built for Gibbs' system are the same people claiming that we could have drafted Tatum Bell, who is almost exactly the same build as Portis, and seems to get injured every other week.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Uhhh... Betts has fumbled three times this season, and the one that was a turnover basically gave the game to the Bucs.

I was talking about Portis.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I was talking about Portis.

Oops. My fault.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Uhhh... Betts has fumbled three times this season, and the one that was a turnover basically gave the game to the Bucs.

As far as the trade, as many have said, Champ wasn't going to be here regardless, so I don't think there's even an argument as to whether is was a good move or not. And it's funny to me that the same people that want to claim Portis isn't built for Gibbs' system are the same people claiming that we could have drafted Tatum Bell, who is almost exactly the same build as Portis, and seems to get injured every other week.

I think he was giving Portis's fumble numbers, but more importantly, you hit on the Tatum Bell thing. Thank you! Tatum is garbage if he plays for any team except for the Broncos. And ya know what? He's not that good there. He's hurt a lot, like you said, but he's having trouble beating out Mike Bell. Tatum might not hit 1000 yards and he still hasn't caught Clinton's td total THIS season. Tatum isn't that good.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Uhhh... Betts has fumbled three times this season, and the one that was a turnover basically gave the game to the Bucs.

As far as the trade, as many have said, Champ wasn't going to be here regardless, so I don't think there's even an argument as to whether is was a good move or not. And it's funny to me that the same people that want to claim Portis isn't built for Gibbs' system are the same people claiming that we could have drafted Tatum Bell, who is almost exactly the same build as Portis, and seems to get injured every other week.

Why would we have drafted Bell if Betts was already here?

I agree, Champ wanted out. Fine. But don't give Den. a 2nd rounder and Champ for Portis. WTF was that all about?????? Basically they got two starters and we got one. They got the better of the deal. And say what you want about Bell, he is not an everydown back. But when he is healthy he seems to do very well. I believe he averaged over 5 yards a carry last year.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why would we have drafted Bell if Betts was already here?

I agree, Champ wanted out. Fine. But don't give Den. a 2nd rounder and Champ for Portis. WTF was that all about?????? Basically they got two starters and we got one. They got the better of the deal. And say what you want about Bell, he is not an everydown back. But when he is healthy he seems to do very well. I believe he averaged over 5 yards a carry last year.

They would have needed Bell because Betts isn't an every down back. He's not a guy who can stay healthy for 16 weeks while carrying the load. Until this year, he hasn't stayed healthy for a whole season yet. And there're still 4 games left. Also, he was out early in the preseason, if memory serves me correctly. Anyway, they would have needed another back because Betts isn't a real #1 and he's not reliable.

Beyond that, Bailey wasn't coming back. Period. He didn't want to be a Redskin. He wasn't going to resign. He didn't like it in Washington and wasn't going to resign. What could the Skins have done? Denver could've just signed him or the Skins could have kept a malcontent as a franchise player. They had to give up the 2 or they wouldn't have gotten the deal done. Champ should basically be taken out of the consideration of the trade because he wasn't going to be a Skin, one way or another. Who cares about the 2, anyway? What's the last starter the Skins got from the second round? Smoot? Cause Rocky hasn't seen the field yet. C'mon, the 2's not that big of a deal. And besides, they gave up a 3 for Duckett and he never sees the field...

[budw38]

Originally Posted by jdlea

They would have needed Bell because Betts isn't an every down back. He's not a guy who can stay healthy for 16 weeks while carrying the load. Until this year, he hasn't stayed healthy for a whole season yet. And there're still 4 games left. Also, he was out early in the preseason, if memory serves me correctly. Anyway, they would have needed another back because Betts isn't a real #1 and he's not reliable.

Beyond that, Bailey wasn't coming back. Period. He didn't want to be a Redskin. He wasn't going to resign. He didn't like it in Washington and wasn't going to resign. What could the Skins have done? Denver could've just signed him or the Skins could have kept a malcontent as a franchise player. They had to give up the 2 or they wouldn't have gotten the deal done. Champ should basically be taken out of the consideration of the trade because he wasn't going to be a Skin, one way or another. Who cares about the 2, anyway? What's the last starter the Skins got from the second round? Smoot? Cause Rocky hasn't seen the field yet. C'mon, the 2's not that big of a deal. And besides, they gave up a 3 for Duckett and he never sees the field...

Yeah , NOBODY ever finds good talent after rd 1 ! Give most teams a 3rd and two 4th round picks and they will find starters , Patriots , Steelers , Colts , Bengals ,Ravens ect . We could have easily built a top 5 - 10 defence with the 2nd - 4th rd picks we let go the last few years . Cb Marshall 2nd T Trueblood 2nd , De's Canty< UVA > 4th rd , Dummerville ,4th , Anderson 4th , Adeyandji 4thDt cofield 4th.too many lost opprotunities to list Couldn't we have traded Bailey for a 1st and a 3rd rd pick , after all we gave up two 2nd rd picks for Rocky , and two picks for Loyd and Bailey is much better than both of them combined .

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by budw38

Yeah , NOBODY ever finds good talent after rd 1 ! Give most teams a 3rd and two 4th round picks and they will find starters , Patriots , Steelers , Colts , Bengals ,Ravens ect . We could have easily built a top 5 - 10 defence with the 2nd - 4th rd picks we let go the last few years . Cb Marshall 2nd T Trueblood 2nd , De's Canty< UVA > 4th rd , Dummerville ,4th , Anderson 4th , Adeyandji 4thDt cofield 4th.too many lost opprotunities to list Couldn't we have traded Bailey for a 1st and a 3rd rd pick , after all we gave up two 2nd rd picks for Rocky , and two picks for Loyd and Bailey is much better than both of them combined .

Yeah, that's what I said...what I said was the Skins don't find a whole lotta starters out of later picks. I actually supported with facts about the Redskins, not the rest of the league. I don't think giving away draft picks is a good idea. What I said was that the Skins gave away the 2 because they weren't gonna get Champ back. Oh and btw, they built a top 5-10 defense without the damn picks! Until this season at least. I love how now all of a sudden they should have used those picks on the defensive side of the ball. Anyone know what was wrong with the team when Champ left? Pretty much everything. Somehow, I doubt that they would have drafted all defenders with those picks. Also, I see that you didn't name 1 starter the Skins have found in a round after 1 in that post...Why? They apparently don't scout well, or don't even try.