Taylor still not first team

MonkManiac · 08-12-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggo44

I give it untill the Rams game! Taylor will be the stater by then! Gibbs is playing this just right. You want to keep your star rookies hungry!! Make them work for there spot!

!!!!!!!!!!!

joecrisp · 08-12-2004, 06:46 PM

Wow! Thanks guys! I sure wasn't expecting to find such generous praises directed towards me when I clicked on this thread! I really appreciate it.

As for Taylor, I'd expect to see him getting some work with the first team by the Rams game as well.

It's funny, I tried talking to Andre Lott while I was at camp, just trying to get his take on being in the starting role over such a highly touted rookie. It was clear he really didn't want to talk about it, and my experience has been that when guys don't want to talk about how well they're doing, it means they don't have much confidence that their run of good fortune will last much longer. I got the sense that he felt like he was playing on borrowed time, which obviously, he is. He had spoken with much more confidence and assertiveness when asked about the situation earlier in the week, but it was clear when I asked him about it on Friday that he preferred to downplay the whole thing. Not coincidentally, by Friday, Taylor had begun to show signs of improvement in practice.

As Taylor grows more comfortable with his assignments and his role within the defense, his superior athleticism and football instincts will rise to the surface. I think he's using this whole snit with the media as a motivational tool, to prove that all the worries and concerns that have swirled around him for the past few months were unfounded. Of course, he also wants to prove that he's worth a heck of a lot more than his contract would indicate. He's going to be licking his chops all season, thinking about the reneg he can do with Rosenhaus next August. That should bode well for his performance this season, and pose a bit of a problem for opposing offenses as well.

Daseal · 08-12-2004, 07:29 PM

What did Andre Lott or Matt Bowen done to earn their starting spot? Taylor has earned first team mentions by now.

Everyone talks about fairness. I guarantee you no matter how good or bad Ramsey does in pre-season we go into Week 1 with Brunell.

SKINSnCANES · 08-12-2004, 08:06 PM

The difference between Winslows and Taylors contract is just quarenteed money. If Taylor makes his incentives its the same, and huge. 9 million a year would easily make him the highest paid safety in the league. Does he really think we're going to redo his huge contract after one year. Theres no way we'd pay him a big signing bonus two years ina row, it woudl totally screw up our cap.

That Guy · 08-12-2004, 09:05 PM

lott has played well in the preseason, bowen has gotten a pick or two in camp as well... taylor hasn't been so great until last week, but i'm sure he'll get where he wants to be.

saden1 · 08-12-2004, 09:10 PM

I have to say, I was really impressed with Taylor. He looks very big on the field too. He practically knew what play was coming on that QB rollout. It was “gimme that shit” type of pick.

p.s. Dude can dance too. Hope to see more of his dancing in the end zone.

aehs77 · 08-13-2004, 04:04 PM

maybe gibbs wants to keep teams guessing until the season starts.

ChounsMan · 08-13-2004, 04:55 PM

Coach Gibbs & his staff are all about the old school method. Taylor is going to have to prove himself before he's given the recognition.

Remember back when rookies earned playing time & most never started until yr 2 & 3. These days they start right off the bat & expect so much when they are not even given half back.

Remember when guys would play 7 - 8+ years in the league, but only start 3 or 4 of them. Some guys hung around in the NFL for 10+ yrs. Now owners want youth & that's it. They load up a contract for $40+ mil & back end the shit out of it for 7+ years knowing they will unload the player in 2 - 3 years. So guys want to make sure they front end the shit out of their contracts so they don't get screwed.

All in all the NFL has changed since coach Gibbs was here. For the worst unfortunately :smashfrea

Defensewins · 08-13-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

lott has played well in the preseason, bowen has gotten a pick or two in camp as well... taylor hasn't been so great until last week, but i'm sure he'll get where he wants to be.

I taped the Broncos game, and watched the first quater and half over again, just to watch the starters. Man, Matt Bowen had a bad game, he did not look very good. He was very tentative and was always a step behind the play. In the first semi-long run Quentin Griffin broke off the right side of his line, LB Washington blitzed an inside gap and it was clear Bowen was responsible for outside containment (to cover LB Washington's end of the line). He failed miserably and RB Griffen got a good gain. There were several other plays Bowen was very slow to react. If Bowen continues his inconsistent play, it might be him instead of Lott that loses his job.

Daseal · 08-13-2004, 06:44 PM

It's called Free Agency, chounsman. It means you don't have to develop your players. You let other teams develop young stars for you, and you buy them (a la Redskins.)

The most talented player should play. The best way to learn is by doing. Rookies will make stupid mistakes, but so will a 10 year vet who's never started. You need to be on the field in game-time situations to learn.

That Guy · 08-13-2004, 07:17 PM

Defensewins, I totally agree, bowen is a monster in practice, but he forgets to bring his game to the show... I'd have no problem with taylor/lott if that's how it breaks down.

SKINSnCANES · 08-14-2004, 04:39 AM

that would be weird if Lott and taylor started at safety for us this year, who would have even considered that possability at the end of last year. Yea Taylor, mabye, but lott?!? If hes the best player though then he should be on the field. Bowen should play special teams the way he hits.

OH OH OH, Joe, I hope that you can anwser this. Has sean taylor been practicing on special teams for punts and field goals. Hes not just a ball hawk when its thrown, hes great at blocking kicks to. i hope the Gibbs is utilizing him there.

Daseal · 08-14-2004, 11:35 AM

I have NEVER seen Bowen hit the other team hard. He'll level a Redskin but can't translate that into game-time destruction.

MonkManiac · 08-14-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I have NEVER seen Bowen hit the other team hard. He'll level a Redskin but can't translate that into game-time destruction.

Very true, that has always bothered me about him. I have been more underwhelmed by Bowen than by any other player on the defense so far this year. Sure, we have plenty more preseason to look forward to, but this guy needs to really step it up if he thinks he's going to keep his starting spot. Those runs in the Denver game were his responsibility, and with Gregg Williams' blitz-happy defense, we absolutely need disciplined safeties who can contain a running back when a team uses draw plays like that against our 2 LB blitz packages.

JudgeJebus · 08-14-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

that would be weird if Lott and taylor started at safety for us this year

I've been thinking about this too, given how all the reports say that Lott and (now) Taylor are impressive, and Bowen ond Ohalete are not. But could someone who knows more about this tell us if this is even possible? Would one of them be able to play SS?

08-12-2004, 08:06 PM	#19
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	The difference between Winslows and Taylors contract is just quarenteed money. If Taylor makes his incentives its the same, and huge. 9 million a year would easily make him the highest paid safety in the league. Does he really think we're going to redo his huge contract after one year. Theres no way we'd pay him a big signing bonus two years ina row, it woudl totally screw up our cap. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

08-13-2004, 04:55 PM	#23
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 54 Posts: 312	Coach Gibbs & his staff are all about the old school method. Taylor is going to have to prove himself before he's given the recognition. Remember back when rookies earned playing time & most never started until yr 2 & 3. These days they start right off the bat & expect so much when they are not even given half back. Remember when guys would play 7 - 8+ years in the league, but only start 3 or 4 of them. Some guys hung around in the NFL for 10+ yrs. Now owners want youth & that's it. They load up a contract for $40+ mil & back end the shit out of it for 7+ years knowing they will unload the player in 2 - 3 years. So guys want to make sure they front end the shit out of their contracts so they don't get screwed. All in all the NFL has changed since coach Gibbs was here. For the worst unfortunately :smashfrea __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

08-14-2004, 04:39 AM	#27
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	that would be weird if Lott and taylor started at safety for us this year, who would have even considered that possability at the end of last year. Yea Taylor, mabye, but lott?!? If hes the best player though then he should be on the field. Bowen should play special teams the way he hits. OH OH OH, Joe, I hope that you can anwser this. Has sean taylor been practicing on special teams for punts and field goals. Hes not just a ball hawk when its thrown, hes great at blocking kicks to. i hope the Gibbs is utilizing him there. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

08-12-2004, 06:46 PM	#17
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 49 Posts: 1,501	Wow! Thanks guys! I sure wasn't expecting to find such generous praises directed towards me when I clicked on this thread! I really appreciate it. As for Taylor, I'd expect to see him getting some work with the first team by the Rams game as well. It's funny, I tried talking to Andre Lott while I was at camp, just trying to get his take on being in the starting role over such a highly touted rookie. It was clear he really didn't want to talk about it, and my experience has been that when guys don't want to talk about how well they're doing, it means they don't have much confidence that their run of good fortune will last much longer. I got the sense that he felt like he was playing on borrowed time, which obviously, he is. He had spoken with much more confidence and assertiveness when asked about the situation earlier in the week, but it was clear when I asked him about it on Friday that he preferred to downplay the whole thing. Not coincidentally, by Friday, Taylor had begun to show signs of improvement in practice. As Taylor grows more comfortable with his assignments and his role within the defense, his superior athleticism and football instincts will rise to the surface. I think he's using this whole snit with the media as a motivational tool, to prove that all the worries and concerns that have swirled around him for the past few months were unfounded. Of course, he also wants to prove that he's worth a heck of a lot more than his contract would indicate. He's going to be licking his chops all season, thinking about the reneg he can do with Rosenhaus next August. That should bode well for his performance this season, and pose a bit of a problem for opposing offenses as well.

08-12-2004, 07:29 PM	#18
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	What did Andre Lott or Matt Bowen done to earn their starting spot? Taylor has earned first team mentions by now. Everyone talks about fairness. I guarantee you no matter how good or bad Ramsey does in pre-season we go into Week 1 with Brunell.

08-12-2004, 09:05 PM	#20
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	lott has played well in the preseason, bowen has gotten a pick or two in camp as well... taylor hasn't been so great until last week, but i'm sure he'll get where he wants to be.

08-12-2004, 09:10 PM	#21
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	I have to say, I was really impressed with Taylor. He looks very big on the field too. He practically knew what play was coming on that QB rollout. It was “gimme that shit” type of pick. p.s. Dude can dance too. Hope to see more of his dancing in the end zone.

08-13-2004, 04:04 PM	#22
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 40 Posts: 486	maybe gibbs wants to keep teams guessing until the season starts.

08-13-2004, 06:44 PM	#25
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	It's called Free Agency, chounsman. It means you don't have to develop your players. You let other teams develop young stars for you, and you buy them (a la Redskins.) The most talented player should play. The best way to learn is by doing. Rookies will make stupid mistakes, but so will a 10 year vet who's never started. You need to be on the field in game-time situations to learn.

08-13-2004, 07:17 PM	#26
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Defensewins, I totally agree, bowen is a monster in practice, but he forgets to bring his game to the show... I'd have no problem with taylor/lott if that's how it breaks down.

08-14-2004, 11:35 AM	#28
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	I have NEVER seen Bowen hit the other team hard. He'll level a Redskin but can't translate that into game-time destruction.

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