Shawn Springs

SmootSmack · 10-10-2006, 01:05 AM

When we had Rashad Bauman, some reporter had asked Champ Bailey if he and Rashad had learned from DG. Particularly Bauman because he's the same size as Green.

I don't remember Bailey's exact quote but he basically said that Green was blessed with remarkable natural athletic ability and that wasn't something he could teach. That neither he (Bailey) nor Bauman really learned anything from Green because the way he played wasnt something that could really be taught. He was just one of those once in a lifetime players.

I wouldn't rush to throw Jerry Gray under a bus.

mike340 · 10-10-2006, 01:52 AM

It's not like I'm thinking about getting rid of anybody. (Salaries for coaches doesn't seem to be an issue ;-), so I'm thinking of an addition, not a replacement.) But is it really possible that he couldn't help the current crew somehow? Even if it's to have them play with more confidence, so I feel like they're playing on their toes, and not on their heels. In addition, the current DBs aren't ever looking back for the ball. (In mathematics, my original area, when you explain a concept and somebody doesn't get it, you try explaining it in different ways, until they finally (hopefully) get it.) So, if we're lucky, he can show the DBs something that "clicks" for them. And since he has been such a large part of the best years of this franchise, it might help with the mindset of the players. (I don't think Danny would mind throwing money his way.)

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

When we had Rashad Bauman, some reporter had asked Champ Bailey if he and Rashad had learned from DG. Particularly Bauman because he's the same size as Green.

I don't remember Bailey's exact quote but he basically said that Green was blessed with remarkable natural athletic ability and that wasn't something he could teach. That neither he (Bailey) nor Bauman really learned anything from Green because the way he played wasnt something that could really be taught. He was just one of those once in a lifetime players.

I wouldn't rush to throw Jerry Gray under a bus.

SmootSmack · 10-10-2006, 02:00 AM

Some people just can't teach. No matter how talented a player they are. Magic Johnson comes to mind. But I mean who knows, I'm sure a lot of people have and would benefit from learning from Green

Even more importantly, I don't think Green is even interested really. But if we're going to add someone from the glory years then I say Vernon Dean. He has extensive experience as a secondary coach in the NFL

mike340 · 10-10-2006, 04:17 AM

I'm sorry to hear about that. At this point I'm about ready to take Mother Teresa (not of the weekly films) if she would help this secondary. (Maybe she could start if she were still alive. ;-)) (I would NOT get (Ego) Deion Sanders, as I just can't stand the guy. Maybe we can get TO to run a fly pattern with Sanders covering him, and have him go long until they're in the middle of the Atlantic!)

One idea is to get someone to throw a ball at the (other team's) receivers when a pass is about to arrive. That way they'll hopefully get confused as to which is the real ball! ;-)
At this point this is the only way I see to shore up the secondary until Springs gets back.

In reality, one has to joke about this situation since the truth is very harsh. Our current personnel situation feels like only having band-aids when performing major surgery.

Hopefully Springs will be back by Dallas round 2. If so, we have a good chance of salvaging the year.

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Some people just can't teach. No matter how talented a player they are. Magic Johnson comes to mind. But I mean who knows, I'm sure a lot of people have and would benefit from learning from Green

Even more importantly, I don't think Green is even interested really. But if we're going to add someone from the glory years then I say Vernon Dean. He has extensive experience as a secondary coach in the NFL

That Guy · 10-10-2006, 06:07 AM

jerry gray is a good coach. i think what you're seeing is a lack of talent at db, and a lack of depth.

i agree that the problem probably won't be fixed with just one player. but 1 person can make a much bigger difference if your depth is terrible. I mean, if grossman goes down, that sucks for chicago, but griese can play. i don't think they have depth at MLB that's anywhere close to urlacher though.

dmek25 · 10-10-2006, 07:34 AM

i will the first to admit im wrong if springs comes back. and everything suddenly becomes ok. i think there is more to it than shawn springs

backrow · 10-10-2006, 07:41 AM

It's not for lack of Shawn. It's for lack of being able to scheme Arch & Carter in. Neither is a bag of chips and all that. The former may have led the D in tackles, but neither is blowing up "O's" we've faced. Gentlemen, we may have paid too much for this muffler!

dmek25 · 10-10-2006, 10:01 AM

scheme for carter? how hard is it? get to the quarterback once in a while

VTSkins897 · 10-10-2006, 10:04 AM

AA is more or less waste. maybe not a bad player, but seems to be overpaid.

i think our D style really relies on a good cover corner though. yes it's a gambling D, but you have to have some outstanding DB play to break up some of those passes in the event the blitz doesn't get to the Q.

MTK · 10-10-2006, 10:33 AM

From the sounds of today's WPost it sounds like Springs is optimistic about returning soon. I'd say he's out this week, but perhaps after the bye he'll be close to a return. It can't be soon enough, we need him back for the stretch run before it's too late.

Schneed10 · 10-10-2006, 11:32 AM

Lot of great discussion in this thread. This is NOT a retarded thread.

A few things:

Jerry Gray knows CB technique. He is a very accomplished coach and a very accomplished NFL DB in his own right. He's not the problem.

Prioleau is definitely missed as Matty said. He was supposed to come in on passing downs to get Archuleta off the field in those situations.

But Springs does have a massive impact on the D. Rogers can't handle a #1 receiver yet. But he can handle a #2. Wright can't handle #2s like he used to, but he can handle #3s. You get Springs back, and suddenly we're matching up against WRs a whole lot better all the way across the field.

And a lot of time our pass rush is only a split second away from getting to the QB before he throws it. If Springs can give us just a hair more time, we'll start to see some more sacks and big plays. The impact is huge.

amorentz · 10-10-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Shawn Springs is definitely missed, but one guy that we've all overlooked a bit is Prioleau. The loss of both of these guys really hurt. Losing these guys has had a ripple effect on the rest of the secondary.

C'mon guys, it's Shawn, not Sean. And for the millionth time it's Darrell Green, not Daryl.

We all know that Sean Springs and Daryl Green are some of Joe Gibb's favorite players. :vomit:

dmek25 · 10-10-2006, 12:25 PM

schneed, good post. i guess we will find out how big that half second is, soon as #24 comes back

Schneed10 · 10-10-2006, 12:29 PM

Yeah. It's hard to take any NFL team for granted, and it's hard to predict what's going to happen from week to week. But I'm going to attempt it anyway. I think we should beat the Titans without Shawn Springs, and I think we'd lose to the Colts even if he were healthy. So I'd really like to see the team shoot to get him back after the bye for the Nov 5th game against Dallas.

If he can come back healthy for the Colts then great. But if he's risking injury, I'd rather see him sit out the extra two weeks and get fully healthy for Dallas and for the stretch run.

Schneed10 · 10-10-2006, 12:32 PM

Of course then again, the Colts needed late game heroics to beat the Jets, and the Titans almost took them down last weekend. So really who the hell knows. Come back healthy, Shawn. We need you!

10-10-2006, 01:05 AM	#16
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Shawn Springs When we had Rashad Bauman, some reporter had asked Champ Bailey if he and Rashad had learned from DG. Particularly Bauman because he's the same size as Green. I don't remember Bailey's exact quote but he basically said that Green was blessed with remarkable natural athletic ability and that wasn't something he could teach. That neither he (Bailey) nor Bauman really learned anything from Green because the way he played wasnt something that could really be taught. He was just one of those once in a lifetime players. I wouldn't rush to throw Jerry Gray under a bus. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-10-2006, 02:00 AM	#18
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Shawn Springs Some people just can't teach. No matter how talented a player they are. Magic Johnson comes to mind. But I mean who knows, I'm sure a lot of people have and would benefit from learning from Green Even more importantly, I don't think Green is even interested really. But if we're going to add someone from the glory years then I say Vernon Dean. He has extensive experience as a secondary coach in the NFL __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-10-2006, 06:07 AM	#20
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Shawn Springs jerry gray is a good coach. i think what you're seeing is a lack of talent at db, and a lack of depth. i agree that the problem probably won't be fixed with just one player. but 1 person can make a much bigger difference if your depth is terrible. I mean, if grossman goes down, that sucks for chicago, but griese can play. i don't think they have depth at MLB that's anywhere close to urlacher though.

10-10-2006, 07:34 AM	#21
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Shawn Springs i will the first to admit im wrong if springs comes back. and everything suddenly becomes ok. i think there is more to it than shawn springs __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

10-10-2006, 07:41 AM	#22
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 74 Posts: 1,812	Re: Shawn Springs It's not for lack of Shawn. It's for lack of being able to scheme Arch & Carter in. Neither is a bag of chips and all that. The former may have led the D in tackles, but neither is blowing up "O's" we've faced. Gentlemen, we may have paid too much for this muffler! __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

10-10-2006, 10:01 AM	#23
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Shawn Springs scheme for carter? how hard is it? get to the quarterback once in a while __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

10-10-2006, 10:04 AM	#24
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	Re: Shawn Springs AA is more or less waste. maybe not a bad player, but seems to be overpaid. i think our D style really relies on a good cover corner though. yes it's a gambling D, but you have to have some outstanding DB play to break up some of those passes in the event the blitz doesn't get to the Q.

10-10-2006, 10:33 AM	#25
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 99,913	Re: Shawn Springs From the sounds of today's WPost it sounds like Springs is optimistic about returning soon. I'd say he's out this week, but perhaps after the bye he'll be close to a return. It can't be soon enough, we need him back for the stretch run before it's too late. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-10-2006, 11:32 AM	#26
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Shawn Springs Lot of great discussion in this thread. This is NOT a retarded thread. A few things: Jerry Gray knows CB technique. He is a very accomplished coach and a very accomplished NFL DB in his own right. He's not the problem. Prioleau is definitely missed as Matty said. He was supposed to come in on passing downs to get Archuleta off the field in those situations. But Springs does have a massive impact on the D. Rogers can't handle a #1 receiver yet. But he can handle a #2. Wright can't handle #2s like he used to, but he can handle #3s. You get Springs back, and suddenly we're matching up against WRs a whole lot better all the way across the field. And a lot of time our pass rush is only a split second away from getting to the QB before he throws it. If Springs can give us just a hair more time, we'll start to see some more sacks and big plays. The impact is huge. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

10-10-2006, 12:25 PM	#28
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Shawn Springs schneed, good post. i guess we will find out how big that half second is, soon as #24 comes back __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

10-10-2006, 12:29 PM	#29
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Shawn Springs Yeah. It's hard to take any NFL team for granted, and it's hard to predict what's going to happen from week to week. But I'm going to attempt it anyway. I think we should beat the Titans without Shawn Springs, and I think we'd lose to the Colts even if he were healthy. So I'd really like to see the team shoot to get him back after the bye for the Nov 5th game against Dallas. If he can come back healthy for the Colts then great. But if he's risking injury, I'd rather see him sit out the extra two weeks and get fully healthy for Dallas and for the stretch run. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

10-10-2006, 12:32 PM	#30
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Shawn Springs Of course then again, the Colts needed late game heroics to beat the Jets, and the Titans almost took them down last weekend. So really who the hell knows. Come back healthy, Shawn. We need you! __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

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