What to do with our First round pick?

SkinTastic · 03-05-2004, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raleighskinsfan

While I would love to see us stay put at 5 and draft Sean Taylor, it would be nice to move down to #11 and pick up and extra third and sixth. There is still alot of quality left in the third round, and it's not moving that far down from 5 to 11. At 11 I suspect we could still get an excellent D lineman, then we could look for an LB or CB with the 3rd rounder to help add depth and develop young players where we just lost players......

Would Udeze still be around at #11, as he would be a promising acquisition for the D line?

I would have to agree with the majority here as well, in that Taylor would be an excellent pick, but with the lack of picks we have left we'll more than likely trade down!

AnonEmouse · 03-05-2004, 08:03 AM

I say trade down. I don't know that we won't be fine with our secondary as is, and more picks could give us some good depth?

skinsfanthru&thru · 03-05-2004, 01:36 PM

I don't understand the fear about udeze being gone quickly in the draft since almost every draft expert expects him to be around in the late 20s. as good as some of these d-lineman being talked about are, none are anywhere near good enough for the #5 pick both money and talent wise. plus can anyone name one d-lineman drafted in the first round in the last 15 years or so that did anything in his first year or 2? the only ones I can think of are warren sapp, derrick thomas(even though he was primarily a linebacker), javon kearse, patrick kerney, Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, Ted Washington, Sam Adams, Darrel Russel, and Richard Seymour. thats roughly 10(I can't remember when some of these and a couple others actually started developing) out of 96 DE's(58) and DT's(38) chosen in the first round since 1999 (I got my info from nfl.com's draft page.) I mean just a couple of years ago people were debating heavily who was better coming out of Penn State, Lavar or COurtney Brown. We all know how that's turned out(in our favor thankfully might I add.) I'd rather us trade down and get as many solid 2,3rd, and 4th round picks as possible because it has been proven that more often than not that solid, if not all-pro, talent can be found after round 1 and I trust Gibbs can find that talent.

Defensewins · 03-05-2004, 02:00 PM

Trade down only if we can get a first round pick in the 7-10 area and a second rounder in this years draft in exchange for our #5. This is a very top heavy draft because of:
1) QB Eli Manning
2) WR Larry Fitzgerald
3) WR Mike Williams
4) QB Ben Roethlisberger
5) T Robert Gallery
6) S Sean Taylor
7) TE Kellen Winslow

These seven players are can't miss elite high 1st round talent. There might be some team like the Steelers (hot for QB Roethlisberger) or Houston (hot for Sean Taylor) that might at the last second (before the draft) offer a nice bounty of draft picks.
Skins should wait for the best offer and not jump at the first good thing. The longer they wait, the better the offers will get. I think the value for S Sean Taylor will increase as the draft approaches. There will be many big trade offers for the skins #5 pick.

Skins fan 44 · 03-05-2004, 02:17 PM

I say we stick with offense on the draft since we have signed allmost all of defensive needs. Try to trade down to top 15 to get more picks if possible. If not stay at 5 and draft Winslow.

Jamaican'Skin · 03-05-2004, 02:30 PM

I don't think I agree with that. We still have holes in our Dline and our safeties could be better. IMHO I think the offense is pretty much set right now. If anything on O trade down and get Ben Troupe, a better blocking TE just right for Gibbs' system. I think D should be our main focus going into the draft.

raleighskinsfan · 03-05-2004, 02:34 PM

I think skinsfanthru&thru makes an excellent point. You shouldn't take defensive lineman in the top 10 and the people bwe want will be available in the 20's, so I would like to see us trade down to the 10-15 range to add picks, then drop further and pick up more depending on how the draft falls. We worked this to perfection last year with Ramsey. That's why I also agree wholeheartedly that we hang onto that pick until draft day. Field offers right now to gauge the market, then wait for the phones to ring off the hooks once we are on the clock with our 15 minutes and the #5 spot. Is there any doubt whatsoever that someone will trade with us? Someone has to be sitting at the 10-20 spot coveting one of the top 7 elite players defensewins suggested, and they will be willing to give us their pick and at least their 3rd rounder this year. So my question is, is Udeze our man, or Tommie Harris? I don't watch enough college football to claim to be an expert on this front, but looking at the press on the two makes me lean towards Udeze b/c you can't deny 16.5 sacks is good no matter where or for who you play.....? We've signed both a D tackle and D End, but don't we still need a pass rushing force? P Daniels is more of a run stuffer than pass rusher, is he not?

ChounsMan · 03-05-2004, 03:08 PM

I think they will draft Kellen Winslow Jr. if he's available. The Skins so far have bought themselves a pretty damn good 'D'.

Cush · 03-05-2004, 04:12 PM

Winslow Jr or Taylor. And I'll add Udeze as a longshot.

Thought it was funny how Portis mentioned Taylor in his Press Conference. Dropping hints?

silent1903 · 03-05-2004, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Trade down only if we can get a first round pick in the 7-10 area and a second rounder in this years draft in exchange for our #5. This is a very top heavy draft because of:
1) QB Eli Manning
2) WR Larry Fitzgerald
3) WR Mike Williams
4) QB Ben Roethlisberger
5) T Robert Gallery
6) S Sean Taylor
7) TE Kellen Winslow

These seven players are can't miss elite high 1st round talent. There might be some team like the Steelers (hot for QB Roethlisberger) or Houston (hot for Sean Taylor) that might at the last second (before the draft) offer a nice bounty of draft picks.
Skins should wait for the best offer and not jump at the first good thing. The longer they wait, the better the offers will get. I think the value for S Sean Taylor will increase as the draft approaches. There will be many big trade offers for the skins #5 pick.

I pretty much agree with what my friend here says. Personally I really want Taylor, as much a guarantee of an impact player you can have. There is no rush to trade down - if Taylor is still there at #5, take him. If not, that means there will be players left who a team really covets and will jump at swapping for our #5 on draft day. I wouldn't like to see us drop less than #10, #15 at the absolute outside. Hopefully we should be able to still get Udeze there, or one or two of the other rated DE's, and pick up a good additional pick too.
If available, Coach Gibbs, TAKE TAYLOR!!!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-05-2004, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Trade down only if we can get a first round pick in the 7-10 area and a second rounder in this years draft in exchange for our #5. This is a very top heavy draft because of:
1) QB Eli Manning
2) WR Larry Fitzgerald
3) WR Mike Williams
4) QB Ben Roethlisberger
5) T Robert Gallery
6) S Sean Taylor
7) TE Kellen Winslow

These seven players are can't miss elite high 1st round talent. There might be some team like the Steelers (hot for QB Roethlisberger) or Houston (hot for Sean Taylor) that might at the last second (before the draft) offer a nice bounty of draft picks.
Skins should wait for the best offer and not jump at the first good thing. The longer they wait, the better the offers will get. I think the value for S Sean Taylor will increase as the draft approaches. There will be many big trade offers for the skins #5 pick.

Oops, you read my mind.

The only two players I'd add to that list would be WR Roy Williams, DT Vince Wilfork, and QB Philip Rivers.

Williams is definately a top ten pick and some scouts have said that he is the most complete reciever that has EVER come out of the draft (speed, vision, size, hands).

Wilfork was predicted to be a top 15 pick until the combines where he showed up 20-30 pounds below where scouts felt he would weigh in. Since concerns about his weight were his biggest knock, I see his stock rising. He's a big daddy with more speed and real potential.

A supposed marginal 1st rounder, Philip Rivers' biggest knock is that he isn't all that mobile and he throws kinda funny. I think that the more scouts see, the higher he will go in the draft and I see him gone by the 10th pick (as crazy as that sounds right now).

03-05-2004, 03:08 PM	#8
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 54 Posts: 312	I think they will draft Kellen Winslow Jr. if he's available. The Skins so far have bought themselves a pretty damn good 'D'. __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

03-05-2004, 08:03 AM	#2
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 59 Posts: 2,715	I say trade down. I don't know that we won't be fine with our secondary as is, and more picks could give us some good depth?

03-05-2004, 01:36 PM	#3
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	I don't understand the fear about udeze being gone quickly in the draft since almost every draft expert expects him to be around in the late 20s. as good as some of these d-lineman being talked about are, none are anywhere near good enough for the #5 pick both money and talent wise. plus can anyone name one d-lineman drafted in the first round in the last 15 years or so that did anything in his first year or 2? the only ones I can think of are warren sapp, derrick thomas(even though he was primarily a linebacker), javon kearse, patrick kerney, Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, Ted Washington, Sam Adams, Darrel Russel, and Richard Seymour. thats roughly 10(I can't remember when some of these and a couple others actually started developing) out of 96 DE's(58) and DT's(38) chosen in the first round since 1999 (I got my info from nfl.com's draft page.) I mean just a couple of years ago people were debating heavily who was better coming out of Penn State, Lavar or COurtney Brown. We all know how that's turned out(in our favor thankfully might I add.) I'd rather us trade down and get as many solid 2,3rd, and 4th round picks as possible because it has been proven that more often than not that solid, if not all-pro, talent can be found after round 1 and I trust Gibbs can find that talent.

03-05-2004, 02:00 PM	#4
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Trade down only if we can get a first round pick in the 7-10 area and a second rounder in this years draft in exchange for our #5. This is a very top heavy draft because of: 1) QB Eli Manning 2) WR Larry Fitzgerald 3) WR Mike Williams 4) QB Ben Roethlisberger 5) T Robert Gallery 6) S Sean Taylor 7) TE Kellen Winslow These seven players are can't miss elite high 1st round talent. There might be some team like the Steelers (hot for QB Roethlisberger) or Houston (hot for Sean Taylor) that might at the last second (before the draft) offer a nice bounty of draft picks. Skins should wait for the best offer and not jump at the first good thing. The longer they wait, the better the offers will get. I think the value for S Sean Taylor will increase as the draft approaches. There will be many big trade offers for the skins #5 pick.

03-05-2004, 02:17 PM	#5
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 55 Posts: 883	I say we stick with offense on the draft since we have signed allmost all of defensive needs. Try to trade down to top 15 to get more picks if possible. If not stay at 5 and draft Winslow.

03-05-2004, 02:30 PM	#6
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 39 Posts: 2,418	I don't think I agree with that. We still have holes in our Dline and our safeties could be better. IMHO I think the offense is pretty much set right now. If anything on O trade down and get Ben Troupe, a better blocking TE just right for Gibbs' system. I think D should be our main focus going into the draft.

03-05-2004, 02:34 PM	#7
raleighskinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 62	I think skinsfanthru&thru makes an excellent point. You shouldn't take defensive lineman in the top 10 and the people bwe want will be available in the 20's, so I would like to see us trade down to the 10-15 range to add picks, then drop further and pick up more depending on how the draft falls. We worked this to perfection last year with Ramsey. That's why I also agree wholeheartedly that we hang onto that pick until draft day. Field offers right now to gauge the market, then wait for the phones to ring off the hooks once we are on the clock with our 15 minutes and the #5 spot. Is there any doubt whatsoever that someone will trade with us? Someone has to be sitting at the 10-20 spot coveting one of the top 7 elite players defensewins suggested, and they will be willing to give us their pick and at least their 3rd rounder this year. So my question is, is Udeze our man, or Tommie Harris? I don't watch enough college football to claim to be an expert on this front, but looking at the press on the two makes me lean towards Udeze b/c you can't deny 16.5 sacks is good no matter where or for who you play.....? We've signed both a D tackle and D End, but don't we still need a pass rushing force? P Daniels is more of a run stuffer than pass rusher, is he not?

03-05-2004, 04:12 PM	#9
Cush Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 963	Winslow Jr or Taylor. And I'll add Udeze as a longshot. Thought it was funny how Portis mentioned Taylor in his Press Conference. Dropping hints?

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