Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey

[dmek25]

ah,the voice of reason!dblanche,hows it going?long time,no hear

[dmek25]

celts32,of all the qbs you have named,who holds any value?culpepper and brees are injured(both pretty severely)kitna and griese are both HORRIBLE and simms is a rfa that will probably have his contract extended.would you want any of these guys as a starter here in washington?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by dmek25

celts32,of all the qbs you have named,who holds any value?culpepper and brees are injured(both pretty severely)kitna and griese are both HORRIBLE and simms is a rfa that will probably have his contract extended.would you want any of these guys as a starter here in washington?

Brees and Culpepper are both suposedly going to be fine. brees injury was never career threatening. Culpepper did his knee good but he is a QB so it's not like he will need the same recovery time that a RB would need under similar circumstances. When healthy I would love to have Brees, Culpepper or Simms over Ramsey. I don't even see how that is up for discussion. I don't think I am out on a limb saying that they all have shown more in the NFL than Ramsey has.

As for the other guys I mentioned...I don't love Kitna or Griese but they have done some good things in the NFL and probably have close to the same value as Ramsey. The only thing Ramsey has on those guys is that he's younger and some teams may feel he has a higher ceiling.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by celts32

Brees and Culpepper are both suposedly going to be fine. brees injury was never career threatening. Culpepper did his knee good but he is a QB so it's not like he will need the same recovery time that a RB would need under similar circumstances. When healthy I would love to have Brees, Culpepper or Simms over Ramsey. I don't even see how that is up for discussion. I don't think I am out on a limb saying that they all have shown more in the NFL than Ramsey has.

As for the other guys I mentioned...I don't love Kitna or Griese but they have done some good things in the NFL and probably have close to the same value as Ramsey. The only thing Ramsey has on those guys is that he's younger and some teams may feel he has a higher ceiling.

There is no question that Brees and Culpepper are vastly superior quarterbacks than Ramsey. But, they also want a sh-tload of money. Griese and Kitna may be more proven quarterbacks, but they're also (as you pointed out) old.

What I just can't understand is how A.J. Feeley gets Philly a 2nd round pick whereas Ramsey gets the Skins a 6th rounder. Yes I know the Dolphine overpaid. I also know that this year's free agent QB crop is good. But, the difference between a 2nd and a 6th is amazing.

I am sure there is some reasonable justification for the difference in compensation, I just haven't heard it yet.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

There is no question that Brees and Culpepper are vastly superior quarterbacks than Ramsey. But, they also want a sh-tload of money. Griese and Kitna may be more proven quarterbacks, but they're also (as you pointed out) old.

What I just can't understand is how A.J. Feeley gets Philly a 2nd round pick whereas Ramsey gets the Skins a 6th rounder. Yes I know the Dolphine overpaid. I also know that this year's free agent QB crop is good. But, the difference between a 2nd and a 6th is amazing.

I am sure there is some reasonable justification for the difference in compensation, I just haven't heard it yet.

dolphins were idiots. never assume malevolence where stupidity will do.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by That Guy

dolphins were idiots. never assume malevolence where stupidity will do.

Yeah. That was one of the dumbest moves ever.

I could care less about what Ramsey is worth for Ramsey's sake. I guess I'm just too disappointed that our team couldn't get anything better (assuming Clayton's story is correct). We really need draft picks and I was hoping we could at least get a 4th or 5th rounder.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

There is no question that Brees and Culpepper are vastly superior quarterbacks than Ramsey.

First, try to imagine that Ramsey had played in San Diego and Drew Brees here in 2002 and 2003 with Spurrier and with the Gibbs' 2004 offense.

Then, bear in mind that Drew Brees' arm strength was barely adequate before the torn labrum in his throwing shoulder.

As for Culpepper, if the Vikes are ready to cut him loose after his surgery isn't it likely that they might know what they're doing?

The only thing "vastly superior" about Brees and Culpepper over Ramsey is their reputations.

Ramsey, Schaub and Volek (I think his knee surgery was minor) are the QBs who have an upside and might be worth the price if available.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

There is no question that Brees and Culpepper are vastly superior quarterbacks than Ramsey. But, they also want a sh-tload of money. Griese and Kitna may be more proven quarterbacks, but they're also (as you pointed out) old.

What I just can't understand is how A.J. Feeley gets Philly a 2nd round pick whereas Ramsey gets the Skins a 6th rounder. Yes I know the Dolphine overpaid. I also know that this year's free agent QB crop is good. But, the difference between a 2nd and a 6th is amazing.

I am sure there is some reasonable justification for the difference in compensation, I just haven't heard it yet.

The Feeley trade was a horrible trade. I have no idea how they got a #2 for him. I would love the skins to get good value for Ramsey, it just doesn't seem likely from everything I have read.

And yes I agree those other QB's are more expensive to aquire than Ramsey, but every team that chooses to go for one of them takes one team out of the Ramsey deal. My point was not to argue Ramsey vs every other QB, but just to point out that there seem to be more available QB's this year than the norm and that is going to hurt the skins chance to get good compensatiuon for Patrick.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by celts32

My point was not to argue Ramsey vs every other QB, but just to point out that there seem to be more available QB's this year than the norm and that is going to hurt the skins chance to get good compensatiuon for Patrick.

Agreed. Hopefully, Brees, Kitna, Griese, etc. will be taken off the market. I think Culpepper is officially off the market, but those other guys are, as you point out, hurting Ramsey's value.

[scowan]

Lets not talk about Ramsey's value, so much as who you replace him with. Let's say we go into next year with Brunell as the starter and Campbell as the backup. Now you need a very cheap emergency 3rd QB guy. Ramsey has got to be better than any other 3rd guy we could find. The question is more what do the Skins want to pay for a 3rd QB guy. $1.6 million seems a little much to me. But it is dirt cheap if Brunell gets hurt for the season or something and we are left with a 2nd year guy who has not seen the field yet and a backup with experience, AKA Ramsey.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by scowan

Lets not talk about Ramsey's value, so much as who you replace him with. Let's say we go into next year with Brunell as the starter and Campbell as the backup. Now you need a very cheap emergency 3rd QB guy. Ramsey has got to be better than any other 3rd guy we could find. The question is more what do the Skins want to pay for a 3rd QB guy. $1.6 million seems a little much to me. But it is dirt cheap if Brunell gets hurt for the season or something and we are left with a 2nd year guy who has not seen the field yet and a backup with experience, AKA Ramsey.

ingel martin should be available late in the draft and cheap... total question mark and probably not as good in 2006 as a guy with actual experience, but if we're only getting a 6th and have no cap room, its either him or try to get timmy back.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by scowan

Lets not talk about Ramsey's value, so much as who you replace him with. Let's say we go into next year with Brunell as the starter and Campbell as the backup. Now you need a very cheap emergency 3rd QB guy. Ramsey has got to be better than any other 3rd guy we could find. The question is more what do the Skins want to pay for a 3rd QB guy. $1.6 million seems a little much to me. But it is dirt cheap if Brunell gets hurt for the season or something and we are left with a 2nd year guy who has not seen the field yet and a backup with experience, AKA Ramsey.

sign randel el as #3 receiver/ backup 3rd string QB save cap/roster space.

[That Guy]

55.7% is much higher than 50%, and his TD-INT ratio is good (above 1), 10-14 on bad teams isn't terrible either and his qb rating is 75. just so the stats are right.

[jbcjr14]

We better start hearing about some cap reduction moves or this team is in some serious trouble!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

We better start hearing about some cap reduction moves or this team is in some serious trouble!

You know, I was actually thinking the exact same thing. Are we just going to wait and see if the CBA gets extended? They have till Friday to get under the cap and haven't made any moves to get rid of people yet. I think it might be time to think about that.