Who would you pick in the 2nd round?

[Monksdown]

Id package the pick with Patrick and get Abraham at 27 years old.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Daseal, I know Jacobs is a product of your boy Spurrier but it's time to admit he looks like a bust.

I was a supporter of him too but the guy just hasn't stepped up at all. He had a golden opportunity when Patten went down and he did absolutely nothing. The guy is soft and doesn't play the way he practices.

The playoff game against Seattle was my last straw with him, on the Skins' first offensive series of the game Brunell hit him right in the chest and he dropped it. Then he took himself out of the game with a mysterious injury.

I'd love to believe the guy is still a diamond in the rough, but right now I'm off his bandwagon until he proves me wrong and I won't be surprised to see him cut.

Yea I have defended him in the past as well but I am starting to agree with Matty on this one, I think Jacobs has one shot with us, and that's if Saunders can get him going, I do believe he hasen't been utilized in our offense, I have been under the belief that it was more to do with Brunell and the play calling rather than his ability, but I am starting to lean the other way in this matter. I don't believe the coaches have given up on him quite yet, but he's on thin ice with one last opportunity to step up under Saunders.

[bertoskins]

I will go for sinorice, two moss is better than one

[EXoffender]

I want a NFL protype DE. Ray Edwards (Purdue) fits the bill. I also like Pittsburgh WR Greg Lee.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by bertoskins

I will go for sinorice, two moss is better than one

I would too, but I'm usually not a supporter of trading future picks to draft picks today. And we'd have to trade to get him since he simply won't fall to the bottom of the second round.

However, if the CBA doesn't get extended, it might make sense to toss out conventional wisdom and trade future picks for picks in this year's draft. In an uncapped league, we would be able to rely on free agents more to fill our ranks. Accordingly, draft picks would lose some of their value for free-spending franchises such as ours.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Id package the pick with Patrick and get Abraham at 27 years old.

Unfortunately, we can't afford him.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I would too, but I'm usually not a supporter of trading future picks to draft picks today. And we'd have to trade to get him since he simply won't fall to the bottom of the second round.

However, if the CBA doesn't get extended, it might make sense to toss out conventional wisdom and trade future picks for picks in this year's draft. In an uncapped league, we would be able to rely on free agents more to fill our ranks. Accordingly, draft picks would lose some of their value for free-spending franchises such as ours.

in the future i hope you're not going to depend on free agents, cause there will be less and they'll cost more (and be older and mainly crap players too).

the only reason to toss future draft picks is if you think the union will decertify and bring the NFL to court on anti-trust issues (the draft is an illegal business practice) and the draft isn't going to exist in the future.

[EXoffender]

Louisville DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil is considerably short at 5' 11" but, I'm interested in his workout at the combine. He seems like a good fit in Greg Williams scheme (at least what he was trying to do with Chris Clemons and Arrington).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by EXoffender

Louisville DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil is considerably short at 5' 11" but, I'm interested in his workout at the combine. He seems like a good fit in Greg Williams scheme (at least what he was trying to do with Chris Clemons and Arrington).

yeah, but i think lawson and mcclover would be even better at that role. They're both super fast for DEs.

[Dirtbag59]

Hey how about some love for Derrick Hagan. I know we're not suppose to fall in love with combine numbers but the guy ran a 4.42. I always considered the guy a good football player but I had heard he was slow and the last thing I wanted was a big slow guy for the Redskins. However I was wrong. He's a big fast guy and thats something the Redskins could use. Plus with this whole CBA thing looming I think we should start thinking more about drafting talent than free agents (a la New England).


Yet the guy I would pick for the Redskins if they had a first round pick would be Florida Reciever Chad Jackson. I've had the oppurtunity to see him at the senior bowl, some workout at Dolphin Stadium, and the combine and he ceases to amaze me. Guy runs a 4.3 and I've rarely seen him drop a ball. Plus I know that all pro players have above average bodies (hell even John Hall looks muscular), but this guy has an insane amount of muscle on a 6'1 frame. Think about it he's 201 pounds, which gives him 2.8 pounds per inch (it takes about 10-12 pounds to change the index by a tenth of a point). Thats boardering on middle-weight competitive bodybuilder. On top of all this he's 20 years old which means he has huge upside. Man I'm telling you if the Redskins had a first round pick this guy would be their choice. Screw Free-Agency.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by That Guy

in the future i hope you're not going to depend on free agents, cause there will be less and they'll cost more (and be older and mainly crap players too).

the only reason to toss future draft picks is if you think the union will decertify and bring the NFL to court on anti-trust issues (the draft is an illegal business practice) and the draft isn't going to exist in the future.

Both good points. Touche (sp?).

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Hey how about some love for Derrick Hagan. I know we're not suppose to fall in love with combine numbers but the guy ran a 4.42. I always considered the guy a good football player but I had heard he was slow and the last thing I wanted was a big slow guy for the Redskins. However I was wrong. He's a big fast guy and thats something the Redskins could use. Plus with this whole CBA thing looming I think we should start thinking more about drafting talent than free agents (a la New England).


Yet the guy I would pick for the Redskins if they had a first round pick would be Florida Reciever Chad Jackson. I've had the oppurtunity to see him at the senior bowl, some workout at Dolphin Stadium, and the combine and he ceases to amaze me. Guy runs a 4.3 and I've rarely seen him drop a ball. Plus I know that all pro players have above average bodies (hell even John Hall looks muscular), but this guy has an insane amount of muscle on a 6'1 frame. Think about it he's 201 pounds, which gives him 2.8 pounds per inch (it takes about 10-12 pounds to change the index by a tenth of a point). Thats boardering on middle-weight competitive bodybuilder. On top of all this he's 20 years old which means he has huge upside. Man I'm telling you if the Redskins had a first round pick this guy would be their choice. Screw Free-Agency.

He actually ran an unofficial 4.29 40, the guy reminds me of David Boston physically only faster, and think the kid is only 20 years old.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

He actually ran an unofficial 4.29 40, the guy reminds me of David Boston physically only faster, and think the kid is only 20 years old.

He sounds interesting. On the one hand, the curse of the Florida wideouts makes me want to shy away from him. On the other hand, I don't really believe in curses.

Does anyone know what Sinorice's 40 time was? I know 40 times are overrated, but I am curious to know how fast he actually is.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

He sounds interesting. On the one hand, the curse of the Florida wideouts makes me want to shy away from him. On the other hand, I don't really believe in curses.

Does anyone know what Sinorice's 40 time was? I know 40 times are overrated, but I am curious to know how fast he actually is.

from NFL draftscout (may be slightly outdated, i'll watch the combine day 4 in a second though to doublecheck):

WR Rank	Name		Hgt	Wgt	40 Time	Proj. Rnd
62	Gerran Walker	5'9"	188	4.30	---
13	Johnathan Orr	6'2"	195	4.35	3-4
31	Jeremy Bloom	5'9"	175	4.36	6
1	Santonio Holmes	5'11"	190	4.36	1
30	
159	
180	
---	Troy Bergeron	6'2"	190	4.38
92	
2	Sinorice Moss	5'8"	183	4.39	1

others:
7	Derek Hagan	6'1"	203	4.50	2-3
10	Todd Watkins	6'3"	185	4.42	3
11	Greg Lee	6'2"	200	4.50	3
12	Martin Nance	6'4"	208	4.58	3
15	Mike Hass	6'1"	208	4.58	3-4
16	M Robinson (QB)	6'1"	218	4.56	4
41	Drouzon Quillen	6'6"	218	4.52	---

only 2 other WRs are 6'6"+ (no listed 40 times)
103	Markee White	6'7"	205
196	Darryl Owens	6'6"	214

moss is a 4.4 guy (santana ran 4.27) and hagan doesn't look like a sub 4.4 guy, though again, i'll doublecheck that.

I want DQ, he's about two slots out of being drafted, and i still like orr, who i said would be the biggest fast guy

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

He sounds interesting. On the one hand, the curse of the Florida wideouts makes me want to shy away from him. On the other hand, I don't really believe in curses.

Does anyone know what Sinorice's 40 time was? I know 40 times are overrated, but I am curious to know how fast he actually is.

Sinorce ran a 4.34 unoffically on his second run when I saw him. I missed his first run. He was actually in a pretty good group of Recievers with Jackson, Hagan, Avant, and Holmes. With that said he did a pretty good job of distinguishing himself. However as you can see from my impression with that Florida guy that I believe Jackson stole the show (except in the run and catch drill which Avant excelled)