Ukraine mega thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-russia-report



Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike inside Russia



Doing this on the way out of office. Was this done for political purposes? It must be as there can’t be any other reason why it was not done sooner.

Biden clearly held off because he knew that it would get politicized in the elections

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[nonniey]

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...vember-19-2024

"Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 19, 2024
Ukrainian forces have defended against Russia's full-scale invasion for 1,000 days and continue to demonstrate incredible resilience against Russian aggression. Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022 under the incorrect assumption that Ukraine would fail to defend itself and that Russian forces would be able to seize Kyiv City and install a pro-Russian proxy government in three days.[1] One thousand days later, Ukrainian forces have successfully pushed Russian forces from their most forward points of advance in Zhytomyr, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, Kherson, Poltava, and Mykolaiv oblasts and continue their daily fight to liberate occupied territory in Kharkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Mykolaiv, and Kherson oblasts and Crimea.[2] Russian forces are currently advancing throughout eastern Ukraine, and Ukrainian officials have recently warned about the possibility of an imminent Russian offensive operation in Zaporizhia Oblast.[3] Russian President Vladimir Putin is simultaneously waging an informational war against the West, Ukraine, and the Russian population aimed at convincing the world that Russian victory is inevitable, and that Ukraine stands no chance.[4] This informational effort is born out of Putin's fear and understanding that sustained Western military, economic, and diplomatic support for Ukraine will turn the tide of the war against Russia.

Russia has accumulated a significant amount of risk and a number of ever-increasing constraints on its warfighting capabilities over the last 1,000 days. Russia began the war with a poorly organized and understaffed military comprised of contract military personnel and limited number of conscripts due to his incorrect assumption that Ukraine would fold and fear that general mobilization could threaten the stability of his regime.[5] Russia largely relied on a combination of volunteer contract servicemembers, mobilized personnel, and irregular formations (such as the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republic Army Corps [DNR/LNR AC], the Wagner Group, and Russian Volunteer Corps) to wage Putin's war without general mobilization.[6] This system has provided the Kremlin the manpower necessary to support operations so far, but there are mounting indicators that this system is beginning to teeter. Recent Western estimates of Russian manpower losses suggest that Russian forces are currently losing more troops per month than Russia's ongoing crypto-mobilization efforts can sustain, and open-source evidence indicates that Russia may not be able to sustain its current rate of armored vehicle and tank losses in the medium term as Russia burns through its stockpiles of Soviet-era equipment.[7] The upcoming 2025 year will only increase the manpower and materiel constraints on the Russian military if Russia attempts to sustain its current offensive tempo, and Putin continues to appear averse to such measures given Russian society's growing disinterest in fighting in Russia's war, the Russian economy's limitations including a significant labor deficit and high inflation, and continual aversion to bearing the burden of additional wartime costs.[8] Russia cannot maintain its current tempo indefinitely. Putin will likely need to take disruptive and drastic measures - including another involuntary call up of the mobilization reserve - to overcome these growing limitations as the war protracts.

Ukraine, meanwhile, continues to improve its warfighting capabilities and prepare itself to be self-sustainable in the long term. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky presented Ukraine's “Internal Resilience Plan” to the Verkhovna Rada (parliament) on November 19.[9] The plan is comprised of 10 points that establish Ukraine's strategic objectives during and after the end of Russia's full-scale invasion.[10] The core points of the plan outline Ukraine's focus on maintaining unity and cooperation with its partners; specific measures to stabilize the frontline and increase Ukrainian military's technological efficiency; the expansion of Ukraine's domestic industrial base (DIB) production capabilities and joint DIB partnerships; the establishment of an economic policy to support Ukrainian industries and businesses; the protection of Ukraine's energy infrastructure; and the establishment of a new internal and border security system. The plan also outlines a vision to create effective local administrations, improve social and veteran policies, and strengthen Ukraine's cultural sovereignty both domestically and abroad. Zelensky emphasized in his speech to the Verkhovna Rada that Ukraine has taken many steps to improve its DIB and has already produced over 2.5 million mortar and artillery rounds in 2024.[11] Zelensky added that Ukraine plans to produce at least 3,000 cruise missiles and 30,000 long-range drones in 2025 and that Ukrainian brigades should raise their own funding to appropriately supply themselves with drones without bureaucratic limitations. Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal announced on November 19 that the Verkhovna Rada approved the 2025 defense and security budget of 2.23 trillion hryvnias (around $54 billion) and allocated a record-breaking 739 billion hryvnias (around $17.9 billion) for the Ukrainian DIB and weapon procurement.[12] ISW continues to assess that Ukraine has a chance to dramatically expand its DIB and stand on its own two feet in the future if its partners empower Ukraine now."

[Chico23231]

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...dbc9be18f58244

Putin says Russia attacked Ukraine with a new missile that he claims the West can’t stop


Russia is countering now using more sophisticated and deadly weaponry

Can we shoot that down?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...dbc9be18f58244

Putin says Russia attacked Ukraine with a new missile that he claims the West can’t stop


Russia is countering now using more sophisticated and deadly weaponry

Can we shoot that down?

You mean, can Ukraine shoot that down?

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...dbc9be18f58244

Putin says Russia attacked Ukraine with a new missile that he claims the West can’t stop


Russia is countering now using more sophisticated and deadly weaponry

Can we shoot that down?

Actually, it isn't that deadly as it was a missile designed for nuclear warheads. They had to use inert warheads (Which they have for test shots). You can see the footage of the MIRVs hitting the ground with the effects of the kinetic impacts. It was more a message than anything else.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Just two questions, please?



1_ How can there be talks to end the War with the US and not have Ukraine at the table?



2) Will trump's quote that Ukraine "never should have started this" hurt or help with the talks?



discuss..............................

Ukraine must be included in all discussions

Trump's parroting of russian propaganda will not help

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ukraine must be included in all discussions

Trump's parroting of russian propaganda will not help

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Ok, thank you.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ukraine must be included in all discussions

Trump's parroting of russian propaganda will not help

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But why, why would he do such a thing?

[CRedskinsRule]

https://x.com/politicsusa46/status/1...494882337?s=19

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

https://x.com/politicsusa46/status/1...494882337?s=19

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He's not wrong.

[Chico23231]

The last 2 years of the Ukraine war has not gone well for the Ukrainians. It hasn’t been a stalemate, Russia has made gains and taken strategic strongholds.

And it looks, to most reasonable people, that it would take a larger, multi national force to reclaim the land lost to Russia

Are you committing troops or you good with Russian continued advance deeper into Ukraine on our tab?

Since peace apparently isn’t an option with anyone here

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The last 2 years of the Ukraine war has not gone well for the Ukrainians. It hasn’t been a stalemate, Russia has made gains and taken strategic strongholds.

And it looks, to most reasonable people, that it would take a larger, multi national force to reclaim the land lost to Russia

Are you committing troops or you good with Russian continued advance deeper into Ukraine on our tab?

Since peace apparently isn’t an option with anyone here

Surrender isn't either. Russia started this and from your own admission the Ukrainians have been giving a good fight against a much bigger opponent. chico if the Colonist in the 1700's here in the US thought like you do we still be part of England. Face it you're a Bad American.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Surrender isn't either. Russia started this and from your own admission the Ukrainians have been giving a good fight against a much bigger opponent. chico if the Colonist in the 1700's here in the US thought like you do we still be part of England. Face it you're a Bad American.

So no peace treaty?

Who is France in your analogy, you know one of the top 3 military powers at the time of the Revolutionary War who had boots on the ground?


If Trump committed troops, the same people here saying don’t abandon Ukraine would be crying about how trump had just started a 3rd world war. But if we continue to operate bau with the current Biden strategy which is losing ground everyday to Russia…then they will cry Trump lost the Ukraine war

Peace is the only option

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So no peace treaty?

Who is France in your analogy, you know one of the top 3 military powers at the time of the Revolutionary War who had boots on the ground?


If Trump committed troops, the same people here saying don’t abandon Ukraine would be crying about how trump had just started a 3rd world war. But if we continue to operate bau with the current Biden strategy which is losing ground everyday to Russia…then they will cry Trump lost the Ukraine war

Peace is the only option

Here's an idea don't kiss up to the shit that started it. do you understand the Ukrainian people don't want to give their Country to Russia and Putin. Not one of your stupid scenario's mentions Russia backing off.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Here's an idea don't kiss up to the shit that started it. do you understand the Ukrainian people don't want to give their Country to Russia and Putin. Not one of your stupid scenario's mentions Russia backing off.

Tell me the alternative then? What do you mean Russia back off?

…this war started with Biden and he had his entire administration to wage it.

Remember, Biden and EU did NOT give Ukraine an option to allow them into NATO. That’s NOT an option now either. So don’t fret over a existing Biden policy