2024 Commanders Off-Season Thread

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yes, but knowing the best coordinators and gm's is different. If JG was giving advice on the character of guys, I would trust him implicitly, but knowing the best FO hires and innovative HC guys, not as much.

I am glad he is talking with JG, because I believe JG truly wants this franchise to thrive. But I hope he is getting advice from guys like the analytics dude he brought in.

Joe was given Vinny Cerrato as his GM and roster, not a good thing.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Joe was given Vinny Cerrato as his GM and roster, not a good thing.

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by mooby

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

Bottom line, he inherited a shitty roster and FA’s and was expected to create a miracle. Joe quit to save his reputation, he gave in to Snyders desperation and shouldn’t have.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

Gibbs was the only coach where I believe that Snyder never meddled in football personnel decisions.

[skinsnut]

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

Also, Gibbs was recommending Rivera to f*cking Dan Snyder, not to a competent owner.

Not to take away from the fact that Rivera royally f*cked up this year, but in the first three years with Snyder, no coach (except Gibbs) was going to be succesful.

People forget that Ron's hire and the whole notion of "him being in charge" was just another ruse by Snyder, since he knew everything was collapsing around him.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

He’s best coaching was after ST was killed and made the playoffs with Todd Collins at QB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

You think Joe coached better during his 2nd run here than he did during the SB years? C'mon. He didn't even run the offense in 06 and 07.