Fresh Start Political Thread

[punch it in]

Trumps tax breaks and reckless spending is why we need to raise the damn debt ceiling. He would have bankrupt the damn country in four more years like he did with his own money countless times. Gotta pay your debt , but the man was a self proclaimed “lover of debt”. Cus it isn’t his money. Come on man. This is such hypocrisy from the right it is grotesque.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol! Three times with Democratic support under Trump it was raised. Now it is on us so that the right can spin it like we are the reckless spenders? Ok.

From the Washington Post today. Schumer could raise it without any GOP help

Why doesn’t he?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Trumps tax breaks and reckless spending is why we need to raise the damn debt ceiling. He would have bankrupt the damn country in four more years like he did with his own money countless times. Gotta pay your debt , but the man was a self proclaimed “lover of debt”. Cus it isn’t his money. Come on man. This is such hypocrisy from the right it is grotesque.

Lol…lol…lol…trumps fault. Of course…lol…lol

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol! Three times with Democratic support under Trump it was raised. Now it is on us so that the right can spin it like we are the reckless spenders? Ok.

The Republicans are either liars or cowards when it comes to the national debt.

Either liars and don't give a shit about it and will keep raising it, while only pretending to make an issue of it when they aren't in charge.

Or pathetic fucking cowards that won't stand up and fight and say we can't keep raising the debt and in-fact need to reduce it. And it would be a fight, because this would mean government would actually have to budget, reduce spending, etc.

Not really sure which one is worse. The party has failed America.

Our national debt is $28.43 trillion. That is 28,430,000,000,000. It's so many zeroes I had to Google how to even put it in actual number form.

It's almost like it's so big most people just don't bother caring about it, like it's no big deal. This should be a big fucking deal to every American, no matter how you vote.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Lol…lol…lol…trumps fault. Of course…lol…lol

Trump did spend way too much money. This is why I finally decided to re-register. I was hoping someone with a business side would be better. In hindsight, Mr. Bankruptcy was never going to reduce the debt. I don't recall Trump or republicans every talking about a budget or the debt while he was president, well before COVID was ever a thing.

Of course Biden is going to spend even more, Obama spent tons, Bush Jr. spent tons, etc. It's easy spending other people's money. Hell, even Reagan greatly expanded the national debt.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

From the Washington Post today. Schumer could raise it without any GOP help

Why doesn’t he?

Really? Read your own article. Or my previous post. Because you and the rest of the right will turn around and call them reckless- it would be political suicide. This is an instance where there needs to be bipartisanship. Like there was when Trump kept doing it. The crazy thing is he is the reason we need to do it now. And suddenly Mitch is hiding in the bushes. I know you see what is going on here Chico.

[punch it in]

Listen to SD if not me Chico. He is actually being real about this issue. U, as a Trumper, will just default to “oh sure blame Trump” as if he has nothing to do with the position we are in. You’re killing me and im way too busy to play this game with you right now. As usual Trump gets us into a jam and you and Mitch cheer for him, now Biden has to fix it and u and Mitch are hiding in the bushes playing amnesia games.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Trump did spend way too much money. This is why I finally decided to re-register. I was hoping someone with a business side would be better. In hindsight, Mr. Bankruptcy was never going to reduce the debt. I don't recall Trump or republicans every talking about a budget or the debt while he was president, well before COVID was ever a thing.

Of course Biden is going to spend even more, Obama spent tons, Bush Jr. spent tons, etc. It's easy spending other people's money. Hell, even Reagan greatly expanded the national debt.

Agreed with all of this BUT it has always been somewhat of a joint effort. Trump on the other hand will take zero responsibility and since he is holding the GOP hostage and his cult is incapable of placing fault with him it becomes a partisan and political knot. That to me is what is so frustrating. I could live with the old school back n forth while everyone was doing the same thing. I cannot live with the deep rooted hypocrisy and the fuckin spell that Trump has over people like Chico who either do not understand what is going on or dont care as long as their guy isn’t held accountable. It is infuriating.

[punch it in]

Chico when trump raises the debt


Chico when it has to be paid back


Raising the debt ceiling needs to be a bipartisan deal. Not by the rules, but by way of not turning it into a political suicide for the ones who have to do it (because of Trumps reckless spending). I know you understand that. Ok now im busy.

[sdskinsfan2001]

U.S. Tax Revenue by Year - Fiscal Year Revenue

FY 2021 $3.86 (estimated)
FY 2020 $3.71 trillion (estimated)
FY 2019 $3.46 trillion (actual)
FY 2018 $3.33 trillion (actual)
FY 2017 $3.32 trillion (actual)
FY 2016 $3.27 trillion (actual)
FY 2015 $3.25 trillion (actual)
FY 2014 $3.02 trillion (actual)
FY 2013 $2.77 trillion (actual)
FY 2012 $2.45 trillion (actual)
FY 2011 $2.30 trillion (actual)
FY 2010 $2.16 trillion (actual)

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u...evenue-3305762

2009 saw a dip in federal tax revenue due to the recession. But every year since 2010 it has increased in actual dollars. Revenue is not the problem, spending is.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Really? Read your own article. Or my previous post. Because you and the rest of the right will turn around and call them reckless- it would be political suicide. This is an instance where there needs to be bipartisanship. Like there was when Trump kept doing it. The crazy thing is he is the reason we need to do it now. And suddenly Mitch is hiding in the bushes. I know you see what is going on here Chico.

Yeah I read it and I don’t think u know why wouldn’t Schumer simply push the gop and raise it himself. I think u are missing a nuisance within it procedurally. Schumer needs the gop to raise it so they can ram thru a massive socialist spending bill which no gop member would support. It’s about limits…

Schumer can raise the debt limit himself with any GOP support

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

U.S. Tax Revenue by Year - Fiscal Year Revenue

FY 2021 $3.86 (estimated)
FY 2020 $3.71 trillion (estimated)
FY 2019 $3.46 trillion (actual)
FY 2018 $3.33 trillion (actual)
FY 2017 $3.32 trillion (actual)
FY 2016 $3.27 trillion (actual)
FY 2015 $3.25 trillion (actual)
FY 2014 $3.02 trillion (actual)
FY 2013 $2.77 trillion (actual)
FY 2012 $2.45 trillion (actual)
FY 2011 $2.30 trillion (actual)
FY 2010 $2.16 trillion (actual)

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u...evenue-3305762

2009 saw a dip in federal tax revenue due to the recession. But every year since 2010 it has increased in actual dollars. Revenue is not the problem, spending is.

The revenue could be even more if not for bullshit tax loopholes and corrupt greedy assholes. Im on lunch break so i came back.

And than they cut spending on things like social security, medicaid, veterans benefits. Its always the little guy that gets fucked. If only someone would actually drain the swamp instead of making it murkier
It is always the Republicans that pass deep tax cuts for the rich SD - and that leads to the little guy losing. It isn’t everything but its a big piece.

https://budget.house.gov/publication...responsibility

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah I read it and I don’t think u know why wouldn’t Schumer simply push the gop and raise it himself. I think u are missing a nuisance within it procedurally. Schumer needs the gop to raise it so they can ram thru a massive socialist spending bill which no gop member would support. It’s about limits…

Schumer can raise the debt limit himself with any GOP support

Hahaha. Love the “socialist” thing Trumpy planted in your brains. Cracks me up.

[punch it in]

Which boogeyman has that racist, divisive, blowhard got you boarding up your windows faster for?

A) the socialist left
B) the spanish caravan
C) the BLM terrorist organization

All standing in the way of ole rich whitey.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Chico when trump raises the debt


Chico when it has to be paid back


Raising the debt ceiling needs to be a bipartisan deal. Not by the rules, but by way of not turning it into a political suicide for the ones who have to do it (because of Trumps reckless spending). I know you understand that. Ok now im busy.

I agree with you yet I want to say I don't consider the "stimulus checks" running amuck on spending and that goes for for both of them Trump and Bidens .Yes I realize it added trillions but it was needed .