Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Generally true, BUT we have an extremely young team, and we are in a good position regarding the cap. In addition, I think TW's main concern is the guaranteed money, not necessarily being the top paid OT, I think you can take the 10 Million he was due in 2019 tack it to a 2020 and 2021 guaranteed contract and get him back on board and bring a team voice back in a positive way. If you can't make the money work, ie he wants top 5 OT numbers and excessive years guaranteed, then you trade him. But remember, he called out BA as racist, he is one failed test away from a year suspension, he was out for a year(that may help or hurt his value), so I don't think it's a slam dunk a team is going to trade like they would have during training camp (thanks so much BA)

All of the reasons you say a team might not want to trade for TW are reasons we shouldn't want to give him any guaranteed money.

We already made him the highest paid OT in the league and front-loaded the contract. If Trent didn't want to play under a contract without guaranteed money in the final years, then he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. Giving an old, injury-prone, drama-generating, locker room distracting player one failed drug test away from a year long suspension a new deal would be ridiculously stupid. If the team did this, I would lose all faith in Rivera.

EDIT: Updated reference to "BA" to "TW." Bruce is still on the brain evidently lol.

[EdmundDorf]

Given that pot use is likely to be part of the next CBA and that he has stayed away from it for the last 6-7 years since his suspension, I dont think other teams would be bothered by that. If they are they can put it in aa a stipulation in any new contract. 31 is not that old now for a good tackle who takes care of himself..... I think the biggest issue is his injury history and the prospect of guaranteeing salary, even if only for injury.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

All of the reasons you say a team might not want to trade for BA are reasons we shouldn't want to give him any guaranteed money.

We already made him the highest paid OT in the league and front-loaded the contract. If Trent didn't want to play under a contract without guaranteed money in the final years, then he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. Giving an old, injury-prone, drama-generating, locker room distracting player one failed drug test away from a year long suspension a new deal would be ridiculously stupid. If the team did this, I would lose all faith in Rivera.

You know front loaded contracts are standard operating procedure and TW wasn't going to fight for a fully guaranteed contract at the time he signed that, there wasn't the push for it that there is now. And it is a different thing for a team that is trading draft picks to look at the risks associated with bringing a new face into a locker room, than for the Redskins to bring back a team captain who was the face of a rebellion against an unwanted team president and medical staff. If they bring back TW, I doubt he would be anything but the positive team captain he was leading up to the BS with BA.

Hard to lose faith in Rivera over bringing an elite player back into the fold with smiles all around. (depending on the deal it took to get those smiles)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You know front loaded contracts are standard operating procedure and TW wasn't going to fight for a fully guaranteed contract at the time he signed that, there wasn't the push for it that there is now. And it is a different thing for a team that is trading draft picks to look at the risks associated with bringing a new face into a locker room, than for the Redskins to bring back a team captain who was the face of a rebellion against an unwanted team president and medical staff. If they bring back TW, I doubt he would be anything but the positive team captain he was leading up to the BS with BA.

Hard to lose faith in Rivera over bringing an elite player back into the fold with smiles all around. (depending on the deal it took to get those smiles)

I understand your perspective, but fundamentally disagree with just about everything you say.

Trent USED to be "elite." He isn't anymore. He's a very, very good - but declining - tackle who is often injured. He's also a cancer. Yes, we shared the same enemy (Bruce), but that does not defend his actions or his motives. Trent wasn't the champion of the "fire bruce allen" movement because Bruce was a terrible, sleazy, front office executive. By Trent's own words, his dissatisfaction started because he asked for a new contract with 2 years left and was told No. At that point, he'd decided to hold out. The cancer-scare stuff happened later, and, instead of filing a grievance with the NFLPA (which is what a player would do if they had a legitimate concern), Trent leaked vague, but inflammatory reports regarding his treatment. When he finally did speak publicly, he made the incendiary and unsubstantiated claim that Bruce was a racist. Trent claimed that "no one" from the team called him or visited him when this was later proved to be false. Trent claimed he incurred $200,000 in travel expenses for his surgery when Snyder gave him his freaking private jet. He accused the team of telling him not to worry about the growth at the same time other reports confirmed that, years earlier, the team had suggested he see a specialist and Trent didn't make the appointment. Who are we to believe in all this? The Team and NFLPA both wanted to do an investigation, but Trent refused to allow it. Those telling the truth have nothing to hide.

Trent may have once been a positive team captain, but he turned into a cancer. This is not to say that Bruce Allen was free from blame, but you can't simply pretend this was all bruce's doing. Trent bears most of the blame for how this all played out. Competent, well-run franchises don't reward such toxic and insubordinate behavior with new contracts. It is my firm opinion that it is in everyone's best interest for Trent and the team to part ways.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I understand your perspective, but fundamentally disagree with just about everything you say.

Trent USED to be "elite." He isn't anymore. He's a very, very good - but declining - tackle who is often injured. He's also a cancer. Yes, we shared the same enemy (Bruce), but that does not defend his actions or his motives. Trent wasn't the champion of the "fire bruce allen" movement because Bruce was a terrible, sleazy, front office executive. By Trent's own words, his dissatisfaction started because he asked for a new contract with 2 years left and was told No. At that point, he'd decided to hold out. The cancer-scare stuff happened later, and, instead of filing a grievance with the NFLPA (which is what a player would do if they had a legitimate concern), Trent leaked vague, but inflammatory reports regarding his treatment. When he finally did speak publicly, he made the incendiary and unsubstantiated claim that Bruce was a racist. Trent claimed that "no one" from the team called him or visited him when this was later proved to be false. Trent claimed he incurred $200,000 in travel expenses for his surgery when Snyder gave him his freaking private jet. He accused the team of telling him not to worry about the growth at the same time other reports confirmed that, years earlier, the team had suggested he see a specialist and Trent didn't make the appointment. Who are we to believe in all this? The Team and NFLPA both wanted to do an investigation, but Trent refused to allow it. Those telling the truth have nothing to hide.

Trent may have once been a positive team captain, but he turned into a cancer. This is not to say that Bruce Allen was free from blame, but you can't simply pretend this was all bruce's doing. Trent bears most of the blame for how this all played out. Competent, well-run franchises don't reward such toxic and insubordinate behavior with new contracts. It is my firm opinion that it is in everyone's best interest for Trent and the team to part ways.

Can you imagine if Trent did this stuff and he was playing with the Patriots? I mean this is just ridiculous. He would have been gone a long time ago. Get what you can for him and turn the damn page.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I understand your perspective, but fundamentally disagree with just about everything you say.

Trent USED to be "elite." He isn't anymore. He's a very, very good - but declining - tackle who is often injured. He's also a cancer. Yes, we shared the same enemy (Bruce), but that does not defend his actions or his motives. Trent wasn't the champion of the "fire bruce allen" movement because Bruce was a terrible, sleazy, front office executive. By Trent's own words, his dissatisfaction started because he asked for a new contract with 2 years left and was told No. At that point, he'd decided to hold out. The cancer-scare stuff happened later, and, instead of filing a grievance with the NFLPA (which is what a player would do if they had a legitimate concern), Trent leaked vague, but inflammatory reports regarding his treatment. When he finally did speak publicly, he made the incendiary and unsubstantiated claim that Bruce was a racist. Trent claimed that "no one" from the team called him or visited him when this was later proved to be false. Trent claimed he incurred $200,000 in travel expenses for his surgery when Snyder gave him his freaking private jet. He accused the team of telling him not to worry about the growth at the same time other reports confirmed that, years earlier, the team had suggested he see a specialist and Trent didn't make the appointment. Who are we to believe in all this? The Team and NFLPA both wanted to do an investigation, but Trent refused to allow it. Those telling the truth have nothing to hide.

Trent may have once been a positive team captain, but he turned into a cancer. This is not to say that Bruce Allen was free from blame, but you can't simply pretend this was all bruce's doing. Trent bears most of the blame for how this all played out. Competent, well-run franchises don't reward such toxic and insubordinate behavior with new contracts. It is my firm opinion that it is in everyone's best interest for Trent and the team to part ways.

Exactly, a lot of the stuff he did cannot be undone. The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. What guarantee is there he doesn't have another meltdown if he is brought back?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Exactly, a lot of the stuff he did cannot be undone. The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. What guarantee is there he doesn't have another meltdown if he is brought back?

So you take one portion of past behavior that occurred during a period of extreme circumstance and ignore the past behavior of being a team leader and good soldier for the Skins FO.

How do you pick which past behavior you want to keep, because I believe with a new front office and coach he is more likely to behave with respect to Dan Snyder who flew him in his private jet and to his new HC who is giving him a chance to get back in the game he loves then the circumstance driven event of a life threatening camcer scare.

But we of course can not know until one side makes a gesture of goodwill.

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