Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins

[SFREDSKIN]

You guys make your own conclusion:

https://art19.com/shows/redskin-talk

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The patriots never offered a first. Immediately after that report came out, several sources debunked it as bullshit. Sheehan and Finley have both since reported this and suggested that the offer of a first was likely a false report leaked by the the Skins to drive up a trade market. It didn’t work.

The only teams legitimately interested in Trent were the browns and it’s not been confirmed that they actually offered a second. This also could have been the skins leaking something - again to drive up a trade market.

The truth is, no one was ever going to give up a lot of compensation for a 31 year old, injury prone left tackle, with a history of missing 4 games per year to either injury or suspension. Speaking of which, Trent is also one joint away from being suspended for an entire year. And on top of all of that, this is a player who was just 3 years ago made the highest paid left tackle in the league, received a heavily front -loaded contract, who then tried to force his way out of town with two years remaining on his deal.... and who would almost certainly demand a new contract with his new team or hold out again.

If Trent were on another team, would you want the skins to trade for a player with all THAT baggage?

I sure as hell wouldn’t - and if you check browns fan sites, they are ecstatic this trade never happened.


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I wasn't aware of that. I heard Sheehan repeatedly say the Skins never leaked anything through him and rarely do leak things locally.

Anyway, I can agree a 1st might be high. A late 1st doesn't sound crazy to me though.

Fed up with all this story anyway. Just wished the FO handled it better and took any legit offer for a player that obviously wasn't going to play here anymore...

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by mooby

I can't believe how complicated this shitshow has become. We could have had the Browns first rounder at a minimum and Trent could be gone, and we'd all be happy. Instead we got a great player with a shitty attitude, a shitty executive with a shitty "win at all costs" attitude, and we're probably looking at selling on the cheap this offseason. Thanks a lot asshats.

My Thoughts Exactly!

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[rocnrik]

Bruce .... has gotta go...Nothing changes till that happens!!

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im so freaking happy the Nats won the world series, because this jackass helmet and head situation would be ruling the airwaves and print from dc media.



im sick of all this constant bullshit drama. the management awareness is completely lacking

Ironically the both all of the local Sports Talk shows on both 106.7 WJFK and 980 WTEM are all saying the same thing as you!

And personally I completely agree with you!

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[CRedskinsRule]

Williams should have come out publicly whenever he made his decision and said that due to irreconcilable differences over the handling of a personal matter he is asking that the Redskins pursue a trade. By staying publicly silent he was as negligent in this as the FO. And that is setting aside that this is a multi year health issue. We are not talking about someone with limited resources, who has to rely on work or govt healthcare. It was obviously not football related, and he should have seen specialists early on.

Only the Redskins could screw up something like this though, think of all the NFL critical catch propaganda, and even Mrs Snyder's own cancer scare.

Bottomline for me is it still seems like some things don't add up, and the Skins are going to find ways to screw it up more even if TW handled it poorly

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[SunnySide]

So what exactly is going to be independently reviewed? Whether the Skins medical staff committed malpractice by not timely or properly diagnosing the tumor like a reasonably competent doctor would? That Trent was notified and any delay was on him? That Trent could wear a helmet and is lying?

I wonder who pays for this third party review? Is this coming out of the NFL's operating budget? Im sure the other 31 owners are so happy about this latest development with the Skins.

Yesh ... should have just traded the guy. But no, Bruce wanted to get into a pissing match with the greatest Skin over the past decade bc after 8 seasons with this team .. god forbid a 31 year old perennial pro bowler wanted to get out of this rot and actually have a window at a championship or at least competitive football.

Fuck you Bruce.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Williams should have come out publicly whenever he made his decision and said that due to irreconcilable differences over the handling of a personal matter he is asking that the Redskins pursue a trade. By staying publicly silent he was as negligent in this as the FO. And that is setting aside that this is a multi year health issue. We are not talking about someone with limited resources, who has to rely on work or govt healthcare. It was obviously not football related, and he should have seen specialists early on.

Only the Redskins could screw up something like this though, think of all the NFL critical catch propaganda, and even Mrs Snyder's own cancer scare.

Bottomline for me is it still seems like some things don't add up, and the Skins are going to find ways to screw it up more even if TW handled it poorly

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I agree with the bold part, it's tough to determine which side is at fault since we don't have full answers. However, there is one thing that is evident - Allen messed this up a big time. Williams emphasized that he doesn't have any issues with Snyder, in fact he loves him but refused to say anything when a reporter asked him about Allen. Allen obviously is on a power trip and tried to force Williams' hands in this situation.

Based on those comments and all other things we have seen since last few years, I'm starting to feel like Snyder has been mostly hands off in football operations and let Allen take care of things because Allen supposedly knows what he is doing.. At this point, I hope things will look bad for Redskins after NFL and NFLPA review the case because if they concluded Redskins failed to do the job appropriately, I don't see how Snyder keep Allen after this situation.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

So what exactly is going to be independently reviewed? Whether the Skins medical staff committed malpractice by not timely or properly diagnosing the tumor like a reasonably competent doctor would? That Trent was notified and any delay was on him? That Trent could wear a helmet and is lying?

I wonder who pays for this third party review? Is this coming out of the NFL's operating budget? Im sure the other 31 owners are so happy about this latest development with the Skins.

Yesh ... should have just traded the guy. But no, Bruce wanted to get into a pissing match with the greatest Skin over the past decade bc after 8 seasons with this team .. god forbid a 31 year old perennial pro bowler wanted to get out of this rot and actually have a window at a championship or at least competitive football.

Fuck you Bruce.

I think Redskins is asking NFL and NFLPA to review everything in the bold part. I work in an integrated health center and we have a policy for whenever a patient got severely worst or died in our care (suicide attempt, bad medication reaction, and etc.), we will have a committee meeting to review the case fully and figure out whether if it was something we could have prevented or not, if so then what we can do to prevent it from happening again in the future. It is impossible to be 100% perfect with every treatment however, providers (doctors or medical staff) should do everything they can do to constantly improve their care. So, I think that's what Redskins is trying to find out, if it's something they could have done better or did they do everything they could do on their end.

[SFREDSKIN]

Someone is lying here:

Williams said no team official visited him at the hospital during his two weeks in Chicago, but former teammate DeAngelo Hall did.

A team source said head athletic trainer Larry Hess spent at least a week with Williams in Chicago. The source also said multiple team officials called Williams during this time and after he was released but those calls weren't returned.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Someone is lying here:



Williams said no team official visited him at the hospital during his two weeks in Chicago, but former teammate DeAngelo Hall did.



A team source said head athletic trainer Larry Hess spent at least a week with Williams in Chicago. The source also said multiple team officials called Williams during this time and after he was released but those calls weren't returned.

I found it so hard to believe that Dan Snyder didn't go see TW AND TW wouldn't have a problem with that. Given as hands on as DS has been with other high profile Skins; ie Sean Taylor's tragedy and RG3's surgery.

Imo, either BA tried to keep DS in the dark on all this, or TW is lying about some parts. BA's cryptic and egotistical response to why DS isn't talking to the media seems to lend itself to BA trying to keep DS out of the loop wherever he can

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I think Redskins is asking NFL and NFLPA to review everything in the bold part. I work in an integrated health center and we have a policy for whenever a patient got severely worst or died in our care (suicide attempt, bad medication reaction, and etc.), we will have a committee meeting to review the case fully and figure out whether if it was something we could have prevented or not, if so then what we can do to prevent it from happening again in the future. It is impossible to be 100% perfect with every treatment however, providers (doctors or medical staff) should do everything they can do to constantly improve their care. So, I think that's what Redskins is trying to find out, if it's something they could have done better or did they do everything they could do on their end.

I like the move by the Skins here.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

So, I think that's what Redskins is trying to find out, if it's something they could have done better or did they do everything they could do on their end.

Your organization sounds like a reasonable, proactive and intelligent group that is genuinely concerned and motivated to maintain a high level of care and performance in your field.

The Redskins are none of those things. Im assuming here but I assume the Skins are doing this as a fact finding mission to gather evidence to use against Trent and not for quality control purposes.

Either way ... seems like the respective parties are preparing for a long, drawn out trench warfare. Let the nitpicking and airing of dirty laundry begin!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mooby

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-redskins-rift

It really sounds like the Redskins recommended he go see a specialist this offseason, and he did which is when they determined it was cancerous.

Also it makes sense to the that the Browns would offer a first rounder when they were flying high and thought they had good prospects at the beginning of the season. Now they're 2-5 and looking like garbage and know that first rounder is probably going to be decent so of course they wouldn't want to give it up.

Redskins played themselves. Bruce Allen's gamble was that this was about getting more money, obviously it's not considering Trent gave up 7 million during his holdout and didn't even hesitate when asked if a contract extension would solve things. He wants out. We should've obliged if a team offered a first rounder, that Browns pick would be looking great right now.

Listening to the interview, this was really all about money. Trent specifically said he wanted more guaranteed money. He said it was ridiculous that he was an elite player in the league but didn't have guaranteed money the final two years. When a reporter asked him about all the guaranteed money he had on the front part of the deal, he laughed and said that was in the past.

So evidently Trent thinks he should be the first offensive lineman in the history of the league to have a fully guaranteed contract. If some new team gives him a contract, he'd play the guaranteed years and then hold out again. He came off completely as a greedy selfish player completely out of touch with reality. Even when discussing the medical stuff, he basically admitted that the medical staff didn't do anything wrong and it wasn't their fault. It was just a rare type of cancer.

I actually applaud the team for playing hard ball with Trent. Its would set a terrible precedent to cave into a players demands with 2 years left on his contract (especially with his injury and suspension history) - especially when hes smearing the medical staff as a cover. Unless the team gets some amazing offer, I hope they don't trade him next year. Trent should not be rewarded for his despicable behavior.

And also, Bruce Allen should be fired, but not for his handling of this situation. This is one of the few things he's done pretty well on.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Someone is lying here:

Williams said no team official visited him at the hospital during his two weeks in Chicago, but former teammate DeAngelo Hall did.

A team source said head athletic trainer Larry Hess spent at least a week with Williams in Chicago. The source also said multiple team officials called Williams during this time and after he was released but those calls weren't returned.

Trent said a couple of things in his interview was contradictory, which is a sign he's been telling some lies. Perhaps not outright lies, but only telling parts of the story that support his narrative, while excluding others. This isn't unusual - i mean, we all do it to some degree.