Around the NFL: Training Camp 2019 edition

skinsfan69 · 08-01-2019, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

WR is a HUGE need in todays NFL.. You have to pay those guys what they deserve. Look at our roster, or the Giants now, teams that are weak at WR in todays league are in big trouble.

I totally disagree. Wr's can be found in the mid and later rounds and still be paid modest money. Paying a wr 20 million is absurd. They only touch the ball a few times a game. A great QB makes average wr's look good.

skinsfaninok · 08-01-2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I totally disagree. Wr's can be found in the mid and later rounds and still be paid modest money. Paying a wr 20 million is absurd. They only touch the ball a few times a game. A great QB makes average wr's look good.

How many of those sitting around though? How did Kirk look without DJAX and PG? Very avg. How did Case look last yr without Diggs and Theilen.

Yes SOME QB's make WR's look great but to say that any avg WR can make a difference is not the case anymore. That was back in the 80s and 90s. The game is not the same . The best athletes are WR's now

skinsfaninok · 08-01-2019, 01:45 PM

Other than NE, Name me a team with bottom tier WRs and they are good on offense?

Here's a list of teams with no true #1 WR.

Miami = sucks
Washington = bad pass game (may change if Terry and Harmon are legit)
Ravens = no pass game
Raiders without Cooper last yr = sucked
Dallas with Cooper = WAYYY Better

List could go on but there is no doubt that pass catchers are very valuable and Mike Thomas got what the market is for great WRs

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 08-01-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Other than NE, Name me a team with bottom tier WRs and they are good on offense?

Here's a list of teams with no true #1 WR.

Miami = sucks
Washington = bad pass game (may change if Terry and Harmon are legit)
Ravens = no pass game
Raiders without Cooper last yr = sucked
Dallas with Cooper = WAYYY Better

List could go on but there is no doubt that pass catchers are very valuable and Mike Thomas got what the market is for great WRs

Correct, this notion that only QBs are worth the big money contracts is insane, yeah it is "the most important position in sports" but if you aren't one of the elite QBs and they pay you all that money they are basically handicapping themselves

Warthog · 08-03-2019, 12:48 AM

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Correct, this notion that only QBs are worth the big money contracts is insane, yeah it is "the most important position in sports" but if you aren't one of the elite QBs and they pay you all that money they are basically handicapping themselves

Exactly. Just like the Redskins did by signing a very average QB like Alex Smith with a big, fat and long contract. BA was trying to get a quick fix for the Cousins fiasco. You only pay the big bucks for an elite QB.

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skinsfan69 · 08-03-2019, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

How many of those sitting around though? How did Kirk look without DJAX and PG? Very avg. How did Case look last yr without Diggs and Theilen.

Yes SOME QB's make WR's look great but to say that any avg WR can make a difference is not the case anymore. That was back in the 80s and 90s. The game is not the same . The best athletes are WR's now

What I'm saying is paying a wr 20 million a year is just ridiculous. I didn't say you can win with scrubs or with guys that can't get open.

Warthog · 08-03-2019, 03:26 PM

Having an elite QB correlates to having a consistent, winning team. He can't carry the team by himself, but without real talent at that position generally, you can't maintain an above-average or better franchise.

skinsfaninok · 08-05-2019, 11:26 AM

The JETS will win 10 games

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 08-05-2019, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The JETS will win 10 games

Can we get a steak or BBQ dinner bet on that one??

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 08-05-2019, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What I'm saying is paying a wr 20 million a year is just ridiculous. I didn't say you can win with scrubs or with guys that can't get open.

Yeah paying any old WR 20 million is just flat out insane but when you have someone like Michael Thomas who catches 85% of the balls thrown his way, and is an elite number 1 at that age, that is what the market dictates. Doesn't mean you go out there and pay Robert Woods that because he had 1200 yards because he isn't on Michael Thomas level. I am still mad we didn't take him over Josh Doctson but I have to learn to live with that.

skinsfaninok · 08-06-2019, 11:36 AM

Per ESPN, Dallas has offered Dak,Zeke and Cooper "Top 5" level of pay per each position, Zeke has rumored to decline that offer. It appears he could really pull off a Leveon Bell here but we'll see who budges first.

BTW paying those guys that kind of money would most likely mean they lose Byron Jones and Jaylon Smith which is perfectly fine for me

GridIron26 · 08-06-2019, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Per ESPN, Dallas has offered Dak,Zeke and Cooper "Top 5" level of pay per each position, Zeke has rumored to decline that offer. It appears he could really pull off a Leveon Bell here but we'll see who budges first.

BTW paying those guys that kind of money would most likely mean they lose Byron Jones and Jaylon Smith which is perfectly fine for me

I would want Redskins to sign Jaylon Smith if our ILB doesn't pan out this year.

Chico23231 · 08-06-2019, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Per ESPN, Dallas has offered Dak,Zeke and Cooper "Top 5" level of pay per each position, Zeke has rumored to decline that offer. It appears he could really pull off a Leveon Bell here but we'll see who budges first.

BTW paying those guys that kind of money would most likely mean they lose Byron Jones and Jaylon Smith which is perfectly fine for me

its a good problem to have, but if I was Jerry, Id pay Zeke because he is talent and the engine to the team. I'd offer a contract to Cooper around the 6th-5th highest WR in the game and hold there. I would not offer Dak a contract until after the season...I would definitely pause at paying him north of 30 mil.

Chico23231 · 08-06-2019, 04:38 PM

source with knowledge of the situation tells NBC's Chris Simms that Antonio Brown is dealing with frostbitten feet after "entering a cryotherapy machine without the proper footwear."

Well that's a new one. Brown had previously been described as dealing with "blisters." Speaking Tuesday, coach Jon Gruden would only say the team was "gathering information." It's a ridiculous injury but hardly a laughing matter. Brown's status for the remainder of camp should be considered up in the air.

Kevin Sheehan is right these diva WR aren't worth the time...AB and ODB Jr...Dez Bryant...

Giantone · 08-06-2019, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The Giants have now become the worst WR core in the league by FAR

LOL, no, not even in the East.

08-01-2019, 01:45 PM	#48
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 36,119	Re: Around the NFL: Training Camp 2019 edition Other than NE, Name me a team with bottom tier WRs and they are good on offense? Here's a list of teams with no true #1 WR. Miami = sucks Washington = bad pass game (may change if Terry and Harmon are legit) Ravens = no pass game Raiders without Cooper last yr = sucked Dallas with Cooper = WAYYY Better List could go on but there is no doubt that pass catchers are very valuable and Mike Thomas got what the market is for great WRs __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

08-03-2019, 03:26 PM	#52
Warthog The Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Doylestown, PA Posts: 1,253	Re: Around the NFL: Training Camp 2019 edition Having an elite QB correlates to having a consistent, winning team. He can't carry the team by himself, but without real talent at that position generally, you can't maintain an above-average or better franchise. __________________ Four Combat Tours in Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait. Flyboy. "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"

08-05-2019, 11:26 AM	#53
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 36,119	Re: Around the NFL: Training Camp 2019 edition The JETS will win 10 games __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

08-06-2019, 11:36 AM	#56
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 36,119	Re: Around the NFL: Training Camp 2019 edition Per ESPN, Dallas has offered Dak,Zeke and Cooper "Top 5" level of pay per each position, Zeke has rumored to decline that offer. It appears he could really pull off a Leveon Bell here but we'll see who budges first. BTW paying those guys that kind of money would most likely mean they lose Byron Jones and Jaylon Smith which is perfectly fine for me __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

08-06-2019, 04:38 PM	#59
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,446	Re: Around the NFL: Training Camp 2019 edition source with knowledge of the situation tells NBC's Chris Simms that Antonio Brown is dealing with frostbitten feet after "entering a cryotherapy machine without the proper footwear." Well that's a new one. Brown had previously been described as dealing with "blisters." Speaking Tuesday, coach Jon Gruden would only say the team was "gathering information." It's a ridiculous injury but hardly a laughing matter. Brown's status for the remainder of camp should be considered up in the air. Kevin Sheehan is right these diva WR aren't worth the time...AB and ODB Jr...Dez Bryant... __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

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