Redskins trade for Alex Smith

[diehardskin2982]

Both teams won the trade. KC saves 17mm and the Redskins save 11+ mm on what it would have taken to tag or keep Cousins. Fuller is the cost of doing business to get a starting QB. We get a compensatory pick in the third round for Cousins next year. All other vet QB's on the market aren't as good as these two players.

Anyone who is mad is not realistic about the situation. Kirk did not want to stay here. He had them by the balls and this was their way out.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Both teams won the trade. KC saves 17mm and the Redskins save 11+ mm on what it would have taken to tag or keep Cousins. Fuller is the cost of doing business to get a starting QB. We get a compensatory pick in the third round for Cousins next year. All other vet QB's on the market aren't as good as these two players.

Anyone who is mad is not realistic about the situation. Kirk did not want to stay here. He had them by the balls and this was their way out.

He had us by the balls because of our incompetent FO. The same FO who is still (and will be for the foreseeable future) making the big decisions.

Aka "man, they sure did a great job digging us out of this totally self-inflicted hole they put us in."

We already have enough problems without our FO creating more to be solved.

BTW there's no way with this new contract we are saving 11 mil a year over Cousins. The difference is there, definitely not that big though.

Can't wait until Smith is dinking and dunking us down the field and we're all complaining about how he isn't as aggressive as Cousins.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

He had us by the balls because of our incompetent FO. The same FO who is still (and will be for the foreseeable future) making the big decisions.

Aka "man, they sure did a great job digging us out of this totally self-inflicted hole they put us in."

We already have enough problems without our FO creating more to be solved.

BTW there's no way with this new contract we are saving 11 mil a year over Cousins. The difference is there, definitely not that big though.

Can't wait until Smith is dinking and dunking us down the field and we're all complaining about how he isn't as aggressive as Cousins.

Given the fact we can’t go back in time and sign Cousins to a LTD before the back to back tag nonsense, what solution would you be ok with right now?

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by mooby

He had us by the balls because of our incompetent FO. The same FO who is still (and will be for the foreseeable future) making the big decisions.

Aka "man, they sure did a great job digging us out of this totally self-inflicted hole they put us in."

We already have enough problems without our FO creating more to be solved.

BTW there's no way with this new contract we are saving 11 mil a year over Cousins. The difference is there, definitely not that big though.

Can't wait until Smith is dinking and dunking us down the field and we're all complaining about how he isn't as aggressive as Cousins.

So Mooby, tell us what the front office should have done 2 years ago. Offer him a long term deal? Did you object to the “prove it” tag?

Let’s just say that Kirk rolled the dice and won. And got lucky that he didn’t get injured, at least in part because the team invested in a decent O-line. Game was over for the FO once he made it through the season before last.

[mooby]

Matty the quote system is broken again, it won't let me quote yours or SCRedskins post.

I didn't like the prove it tag, because we have a cap guru in Eric Schaffer who no doubt could have come up with a long term deal that gave us an out a 2-4 years down the road if he didn't pan out. But we didn't even try for the better part of 2 offseasons, it was like they were never serious about it. The lack of faith in him showed, and most likely is what burned us in the end. I mean shit, we benched McNabb a week after his long term extension, you can't tell me there's no way Kirk wasn't worth the money. The cap goes up every year, which makes the contract more manageable. Plus you can do creative accounting if you need to make room.

Matty, I know I'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

Youse guys complaining that KC can't get us to the playoffs are conveniently ignoring it takes a 53 man roster to get us there. The stats were good. The attitude was good. He showed up every day, put in the work, came in as a backup rookie and made it to the Pro Bowl 5 years later. Instead of rewarding him for it, they dissed him. And it not only cost us financially, it has now cost us our best up-and-coming young defender. How much money did we save after paying KC 44 mil for 2 years and Alex Smith 71+ for however many years he lasts? The difference is negligible. I did a quick Google search and I can't find the rankings at work rn, but I have seen somewhere that said KC ranks 6th in the NFL in completions over 20 yards and in the same span Smith ranks 22nd. That's ignoring all of the other stats, the combined passing td's over the last 3 years, etc.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid Kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and Kendall Fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that Bruce Allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I have no idea what would be a better solution at this point in time. I just know it doesn't involve giving away Kendall Fuller. You build your team around these young, cheap, built-through-the-draft building blocks. And we just gave away two of our brightest success stories of building through the draft of the last few years.

I thought we were on the right track when McC came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mooby

I thought we were on the right track when McC came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.

We didn't miss the message. Snyder and Smithers never received the message. Snyder hired McC then ignored his advice regarding a LTD for Cousins. Meanwhile Smithers was busy undermining McC to gain more power while McC was busy undermining himself with his absurd, self-styled rehab program of sticking to beer. Voila!

Snyder just can't keep from interfering with the QB position and he appears to be firmly committed to the sycophantic school of management. Bad ownership is what keeps this carnival ride spinning.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We didn't miss the message. Snyder and Smithers never received the message. Snyder hired McC then ignored his advice regarding a LTD for Cousins. Meanwhile Smithers was busy undermining McC to gain more power while McC was busy undermining himself with his absurd, self-styled rehab program of sticking to beer. Voila!

Snyder just can't keep from interfering with the QB position and he appears to be firmly committed to the sycophantic school of management. Bad ownership is what keeps this carnival ride spinning.

Nope, Cousins said yesterday that Scott was the one that refused to sign him to the LTD. He said it when asked aboutt Scots "Kirk is nothing special" comment. Apparently he had told Kirk the same back then.

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[Kope]

I agree Smith is the best option we had so in that sense I am good with this.

As an aside am I the only one who thinks the team actually put alot of weapons around Cousins? That Gruden bet his job on Cousins playing well? So the initial offer sent to him was low....get over yourself and negotiate to what is reasonable for both sides. I give two shits Cousins got but hurt because the owner liked bobby3 better. At some point he needs to let shit roll off his back or he is not going to win anything. So part of me is happy this fucker is gone.

I mean really, I couldn't imagine this happening to me at my normal job and not working something out to where I was happy.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Kope

I agree Smith is the best option we had so in that sense I am good with this.

As an aside am I the only one who thinks the team actually put alot of weapons around Cousins? That Gruden bet his job on Cousins playing well? So the initial offer sent to him was low....get over yourself and negotiate to what is reasonable for both sides. I give two shits Cousins got but hurt because the owner liked bobby3 better. At some point he needs to let shit roll off his back or he is not going to win anything. So part of me is happy this fucker is gone.

I mean really, I couldn't imagine this happening to me at my normal job and not working something out to where I was happy.

The first 2 seasons Kirk had as many weapons as anyone. Last year no

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[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by mooby

Matty the quote system is broken again, it won't let me quote yours or SCRedskins post.

I didn't like the prove it tag, because we have a cap guru in Eric Schaffer who no doubt could have come up with a long term deal that gave us an out a 2-4 years down the road if he didn't pan out. But we didn't even try for the better part of 2 offseasons, it was like they were never serious about it. The lack of faith in him showed, and most likely is what burned us in the end. I mean shit, we benched McNabb a week after his long term extension, you can't tell me there's no way Kirk wasn't worth the money. The cap goes up every year, which makes the contract more manageable. Plus you can do creative accounting if you need to make room.

Matty, I know I'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

Youse guys complaining that KC can't get us to the playoffs are conveniently ignoring it takes a 53 man roster to get us there. The stats were good. The attitude was good. He showed up every day, put in the work, came in as a backup rookie and made it to the Pro Bowl 5 years later. Instead of rewarding him for it, they dissed him. And it not only cost us financially, it has now cost us our best up-and-coming young defender. How much money did we save after paying KC 44 mil for 2 years and Alex Smith 71+ for however many years he lasts? The difference is negligible. I did a quick Google search and I can't find the rankings at work rn, but I have seen somewhere that said KC ranks 6th in the NFL in completions over 20 yards and in the same span Smith ranks 22nd. That's ignoring all of the other stats, the combined passing td's over the last 3 years, etc.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid Kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and Kendall Fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that Bruce Allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I have no idea what would be a better solution at this point in time. I just know it doesn't involve giving away Kendall Fuller. You build your team around these young, cheap, built-through-the-draft building blocks. And we just gave away two of our brightest success stories of building through the draft of the last few years.

I thought we were on the right track when McC came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.

Agree with everything you stated. Completely do not trust the Redskins front office to get anything right. This was a cover your backside deal, since the Redskins are probably the only franchise in NFL history to torpedo their own 'franchise QB' after stumbling onto one by blind luck, due to Shanahan's draft. It would not surprise me at all if this was some weird, can't let Shanahan have credit stunt, since 'little Danny' was all in on RGIII and couldn't deal with his precious RGIII being a bust.

Kirk is the only memorable Redskin's QB of the last 20 years. This is almost as bad as when they let Trent Green leave.

Sick of the lousy ownership and front office. I'll cherish my Redskins memories, from long ago, but those were from childhood. Realizing that after twenty years of garbage due to Snyder, it might be time to move on.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Matty, I know I'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid Kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and Kendall Fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that Bruce Allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I find this very irritating. Why franchise him two years in a row if this was the end game? I don't buy the lip service we have been told. This is merely a cya by the FO. It is like being happy that 5 years later BP cleaned up the Gulf oil spill and some how will be better off for it down the road and ignoring the whole mess to begin with.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

matty the quote system is broken again, it won't let me quote yours or scredskins post.

I didn't like the prove it tag, because we have a cap guru in eric schaffer who no doubt could have come up with a long term deal that gave us an out a 2-4 years down the road if he didn't pan out. But we didn't even try for the better part of 2 offseasons, it was like they were never serious about it. The lack of faith in him showed, and most likely is what burned us in the end. I mean shit, we benched mcnabb a week after his long term extension, you can't tell me there's no way kirk wasn't worth the money. The cap goes up every year, which makes the contract more manageable. Plus you can do creative accounting if you need to make room.

Matty, i know i'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

Youse guys complaining that kc can't get us to the playoffs are conveniently ignoring it takes a 53 man roster to get us there. The stats were good. The attitude was good. He showed up every day, put in the work, came in as a backup rookie and made it to the pro bowl 5 years later. Instead of rewarding him for it, they dissed him. And it not only cost us financially, it has now cost us our best up-and-coming young defender. How much money did we save after paying kc 44 mil for 2 years and alex smith 71+ for however many years he lasts? The difference is negligible. I did a quick google search and i can't find the rankings at work rn, but i have seen somewhere that said kc ranks 6th in the nfl in completions over 20 yards and in the same span smith ranks 22nd. That's ignoring all of the other stats, the combined passing td's over the last 3 years, etc.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and kendall fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that bruce allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I have no idea what would be a better solution at this point in time. I just know it doesn't involve giving away kendall fuller. You build your team around these young, cheap, built-through-the-draft building blocks. And we just gave away two of our brightest success stories of building through the draft of the last few years.

I thought we were on the right track when mcc came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.

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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Both teams won the trade. KC saves 17mm and the Redskins save 11+ mm on what it would have taken to tag or keep Cousins. Fuller is the cost of doing business to get a starting QB. We get a compensatory pick in the third round for Cousins next year. All other vet QB's on the market aren't as good as these two players.

Anyone who is mad is not realistic about the situation. Kirk did not want to stay here. He had them by the balls and this was their way out.

Again, we lost a 3rd round pick. And there's no guarantee we will get a 3rd round comp pick to make up for it.

KC got a decent CB with potential, a 3rd round pick, and saved $. All they had to give up was a 33 yo QB (will be 34 next season) they were ready to let go anyways.

WASH gave up the aforementioned player and pick, saved $. And will either let a 30 yo QB they know works well in their system go for nothing (maybe a 3rd rd don't count on it) or trans tag him for a trade. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

KC did well this deal. WASH actually didn't do bad getting Alex Smith but it doesn't cover up their failure signing Cousins. We basically gave a pick and player for the privilege of getting a 3-4 year older QB.