Cornelius and Co

dblanch66 · 10-14-2005, 02:22 AM

Is it me, or has Griffin been silent so far this year? I love what he did last year and thought he was robbed of a pro bowl bid, but it seems like I'm not hearing his name as much. Same with Daniels and Wynn. I know our ends are so-so but we're not getting a good push up the middle to put pressure on the QB. They've been solid on stopping the run (the 2 Bell runs were missed tackles by linebackers and db's) but maybe Ron Warner could get some more reps to rush the passer.

mooby · 10-14-2005, 07:26 AM

yeah i haven't heard much from C. Griff either. Btw, on that first td run it was Daniels who missed a tackle, then Holdman, then Bell was free. I think Ron Warner was cut.

That Guy · 10-14-2005, 09:09 AM

warner's gone... i only saw holdman with a chance (at least the easiest chance) on the first run.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-14-2005, 09:23 AM

I think that more people are doubling Griffin this year...

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-14-2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think that more people are doubling Griffin this year...

I see Griffin getting doubled constantly. It's a shame that we don't have someone next to him to take advantage of that.

dblanch66 · 10-14-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I see Griffin getting doubled constantly. It's a shame that we don't have someone next to him to take advantage of that.

Yeah. Maybe we miss Noble more than we thought.

Southpaw · 10-14-2005, 12:28 PM

Since Griffin is the only real threat on the front four, he's been picking up double teams all season. Wynn has never been much of a factor as far as rushing the passer, and someone needs to explain the mechanics of the defensive end position to Phillip Daniels.

I made a point to watch Daniels on almost every defensive snap last week, and the funny thing is, he gets a decent push. The problem is, all he does is push. He makes no attempt to get around the tackle whatsoever. I guess he doesn't realize that an offensive tackle is perfectly content with letting you push him all over the field, as long as he keeps you in front of him.

Southpaw · 10-14-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dblanch66

Yeah. Maybe we miss Noble more than we thought.

Noble had 14 tackles and 1 sack in 16 starts last year. I don't think he's the answer, but apparently, neither are any of our other DT's.

jamf · 10-14-2005, 12:39 PM

why not use arrington as a D-end?

Southpaw · 10-14-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jamf

why not use arrington as a D-end?

The coaching staff has the best players on the field at all times...

God, that was hard to say with a straight face.

MTK · 10-14-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jamf

why not use arrington as a D-end?

why ask why

#56fanatic · 10-14-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

why ask why

I think they try and use Daniels more as a run stopper and use the LB and corners to apply the pressure on the QB. Daniels is a good end that takes up space, like big Joe S. Problem is we aren't even getting pressure with our LB. Dont look for too much pressure from Marcus this week either. He will probably be matched up w/ Tony G most of the day. Taylor may get some blitzing plays this week. This would actually be a good week to see if LaVar can play. To use his speed and athletic ability to keep up with KCs offense. there offense is mostly on timing and if we can get a good speed rush, or some pressure up the middle we should be able to knock the receivers off their routes. We will definately need to stop the screen this week, which LaVar would be better at than Holdman. Holdman just gets pushed out of the way too much. Clemons may play a bigger role this week too, hes a pretty good pass rusher from the outside.

#56fanatic · 10-14-2005, 01:03 PM

In addition, our corners are going to need some help. Springs is probably not going to play. So we will need some pressure on the QB, or they are going to get eaten alive.

firstdown · 10-14-2005, 01:39 PM

Maybe teams have just figured out by watching game film how to stop our D from getting pressure on the QB.

hurrykaine · 10-14-2005, 02:01 PM

Cornelius lit it up for exactly one year in NY too, and then was mediocre after that. I hope what people are saying about him being ineffective due to double teams is true. Cuz then, the answer would be to draft another solid DT, or get one in free agency.

10-14-2005, 02:22 AM	#1
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 58 Posts: 1,176	Cornelius and Co Is it me, or has Griffin been silent so far this year? I love what he did last year and thought he was robbed of a pro bowl bid, but it seems like I'm not hearing his name as much. Same with Daniels and Wynn. I know our ends are so-so but we're not getting a good push up the middle to put pressure on the QB. They've been solid on stopping the run (the 2 Bell runs were missed tackles by linebackers and db's) but maybe Ron Warner could get some more reps to rush the passer.

10-14-2005, 07:26 AM	#2
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,449	Re: Cornelius and Co yeah i haven't heard much from C. Griff either. Btw, on that first td run it was Daniels who missed a tackle, then Holdman, then Bell was free. I think Ron Warner was cut. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

10-14-2005, 09:09 AM	#3
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Cornelius and Co warner's gone... i only saw holdman with a chance (at least the easiest chance) on the first run.

10-14-2005, 09:23 AM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Cornelius and Co I think that more people are doubling Griffin this year... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-14-2005, 12:28 PM	#7
Southpaw The Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: So. MD Age: 46 Posts: 1,319	Re: Cornelius and Co Since Griffin is the only real threat on the front four, he's been picking up double teams all season. Wynn has never been much of a factor as far as rushing the passer, and someone needs to explain the mechanics of the defensive end position to Phillip Daniels. I made a point to watch Daniels on almost every defensive snap last week, and the funny thing is, he gets a decent push. The problem is, all he does is push. He makes no attempt to get around the tackle whatsoever. I guess he doesn't realize that an offensive tackle is perfectly content with letting you push him all over the field, as long as he keeps you in front of him.

10-14-2005, 12:39 PM	#9
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,312	Re: Cornelius and Co why not use arrington as a D-end?

10-14-2005, 01:03 PM	#13
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: Cornelius and Co In addition, our corners are going to need some help. Springs is probably not going to play. So we will need some pressure on the QB, or they are going to get eaten alive.

10-14-2005, 01:39 PM	#14
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Cornelius and Co Maybe teams have just figured out by watching game film how to stop our D from getting pressure on the QB.

10-14-2005, 02:01 PM	#15
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 51 Posts: 762	Re: Cornelius and Co Cornelius lit it up for exactly one year in NY too, and then was mediocre after that. I hope what people are saying about him being ineffective due to double teams is true. Cuz then, the answer would be to draft another solid DT, or get one in free agency.

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