Cousins has arrived

[MTK]

All this talk about the QB when the D was hot garbage. Typical.

[skinsfaninok]

u would think when guys like Trent say "we have our QB" and others have said this, that fans would be happy esp after 20 yrs of having none.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

All this talk about the QB when the D was hot garbage. Typical.

Or the fact that we had no running game all season.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Or the fact that we had no running game all season.

had like the 26th believe

[htownskinfan]

[QUOTE=MTK;1137313]Good for you bro, you're a prophet. Pat yourself on the back. Maybe you'll be right again.

I'm sure I will

I'm not talking about supporting a guy no matter what. I had plenty of concerns about RG3 going back to the injury.
Those are your words in response to me,you did not explain yourself for me to take it any other way.

Cousins is still coming into his own, but I'm ok with committing to him and seeing what happens.
On that I agree with you-if it's for the right price.If he's asking for top 5 qb money for what amounts to around 8 or 9 good games in his career,are you still committed to him?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Cousins throws in the second half were his worst since several weeks ago. You know why? Because he has been playing out of his freaking mind. He had a few off throws. He also had a couple dropped, and a td taken away because djax stuck his foot in without the ball.
As far as amazing catches, yeah Reed bailed him out. So too did David Tyree for Eli Manning. Eli won an mvp trophy because of it. So what? Who cares? You know how many "near" interceptions are thrown on a weekly basis by quarterbacks in the NFL?
You just have to realize that this "never beat a winning team" bullshit is based on probably 12 games? Most of which were played with a 4 win team that couldn't even beat bad teams! It is the dumbest stat ever all things considered.
Also - as far as yesterdays second half goes - if not for our piss poor defense he just might not have been pressing so much. If not for our non existent run game he just might have had a more honest defense to throw the ball against. You just cannot dismiss these things.

Whoa man calm down Focus on what I said in my last paragraph.Try to remember I am a Kirk supporter.
As for your last paragraph,so you're admitting he was pressing and didnt play well,lol
He hasnt had a running game all year,so nothing changed in that regard.Also the defense has sucked all year also for the most part.What changed yesterday is the defense didnt get any turnovers to help bail them out.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Question is do you tie up $20m next year or much less with a multi year deal?

1st in completion percentage, 5th in rating, 8th in yards per attempt and 10th in passing yardage. I think he gets $20 mil on a long term deal with those numbers.

[SFREDSKIN]

I'll say it again, Kirk had a bad game cause the OL played poorly allowing 6 sacks and being pressure constantly. As the OL goes so does the QB. Perfect example is Rogers, he had an excellent game cause his OL protected him unlike the last couple of weeks.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Cousins sounds like he is saying, "show me the money" and that he is going highest bidder.

Even if that isn't his intentions or meaning, it should be. Let's be honest. Kirk wasn't given a fair shake due to Danny's love for RG3. Kirk was denied a QB competition that 3rd year because lil danny wanted his BFF to start. You don't think that isn't in the back of his mind?

If I were Kirk, I'd go to the highest bidder as well. Hell, even at the beginning of the year, we heard SS talk about how it was Snyder that Kirk needed to prove something to. (beyond Jay) Even that hug was awkward by Danny the other weekend. He knows good and damn well that Bruce and Danny didn't want him here.


That said, the risk you take by not signing him long term is the same risk the Raven faced. They went into that season haggling over 1mil/yr on a 15-16mil contract, and ended up having to pay him 20+ mil after that Super Bowl run (which is hurting that team big time). If you don't pay Kirk a 5yr/85-90mil contract and franchise him. Chances are, if he does very well that franchise year, that price tag will now vault from the 17-18mil/yr range to the 22-23mil/yr range.

I'd rather go with the 17/18mil/yr with a lower guaranteed than wait next year.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Whoa man calm down Focus on what I said in my last paragraph.Try to remember I am a Kirk supporter.

As for your last paragraph,so you're admitting he was pressing and didnt play well,lol

He hasnt had a running game all year,so nothing changed in that regard.Also the defense has sucked all year also for the most part.What changed yesterday is the defense didnt get any turnovers to help bail them out.

What I am admitting is there are other factors at play, other teammates at play, and that for you to blame Kirk for the loss is ridiculous. That is all.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

u would think when guys like Trent say "we have our QB" and others have said this, that fans would be happy esp after 20 yrs of having none.

Rite....hey - some fans just need to complain. It is what they are used to and for good reason I guess. Lets have KC walk. Maybe we can find a guy that will break all Kirks records and do it against winning teams without a whole lotta help. Hell - those guys come around all the time.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MTK

Question is do you tie up $20m next year or much less with a multi year deal?

If I'm the GM?

Not even considering the franchise tag; doing a multi-year deal all the way.

Originally Posted by MTK

All this talk about the QB when the D was hot garbage. Typical.

It is the Cousins has arrived thread.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

1st in completion percentage, 5th in rating, 8th in yards per attempt and 10th in passing yardage. I think he gets $20 mil on a long term deal with those numbers.

It could come close to that on a yearly avg but his cap hit would be much less for the first couple of years.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

What I am admitting is there are other factors at play, other teammates at play, and that for you to blame Kirk for the loss is ridiculous. That is all.

Where did I ever say I blamed Kirk for the loss?
I never said that and I never thought that.I said Kirk didnt play well in the 2nd half,but I was not placing the blame on him for the loss.
But if Kirk"s contract demands are going to be among the top qb's in the league,{which remains to be seen,but very likely}then being able to overcome adverse conditions{like in Sunday's game}and win is something he should have on his resume don't you think? Tampa game was a great steppingstone,but Tampa's not that good a team.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

No I'm not taking it personally,I just remember you taking up for Griff amid my concerns(which by the way all turned out to be prophetic)way back when and continued to do so all the way up to Kirk being named the starter.
As far as you saying you support whoevers in the lineup its as simple as that,I cannot understand or comprehend that reasoning.I'm all for supporting your team but when someone's playing poorly and your making excuses for them or disagreeing with other people about their poor play just because they are in the lineup makes no sense to me.
Yes I did exaggerate about Cousins being compared to Hoyer and I admitted that,as far as a history of over exaggeration,we will have to disagree about that too.

It's not just one game that has me concerned,it's his career as a whole.
Yes he has great strides this season.
Yes the whole team was off yesterday,but Cousins throws in the 2nd half we're some of his worst since I don't know when,and if not for that amazing catch by Reed he would have had a pick 6,and it would have been very interesting to see how he would have handled it if that would have happened.
Hopefully it was just 1st timer playoff pressure getting to him and he will learn from it and be a better qb.
I guess reading about his having never beaten a team with a winning record combined with what I thought was a mostly bad 2nd half yesterday made me post what I did.
I guess what I should have said is I have my concerns over paying Kirk a shitload of money for someone who's never beaten a winning team and his body of work IMO is not long enough to warrant signing him to what might be top 5 qb pay,but at this point we have no choice but to do that or slap the franchise tag on him.

Yes the whole team was off yesterday, BUT COUSINS THROWS WERE BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Dont try n backtrack now. That there is a fine line you're walking if you say you never blamed Cousins, never thought that even?!? Lol. Come on man.
Edit: i dont really care, but like Matty said - the defense got absolutely torched Sunday and we are talking about the QB?!? The QB who didnt have a terrible game but was a little bit off?!? You are completely questioning KC at this point and good for you and your opinion. This is America.
However,like I have said to others,thank God you are not involved with the decision making process of this team. Lol.