Domestic terrorism

[CRedskinsRule]

France has a terrorist attack and they killed how many(130)? and what are their laws?

We have one that kills 14, and our gun laws are to blame?

Evil people wanting to do evil things will do them with pipe bombs, ied's, or planes.

We should be giving due recognition to the systems we have in place that repeatedly minimize the damage these types of evil acts attempt to inflict, instead of going for the happy happy joy joy solutions that far too often actually beget bad laws.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

France has a terrorist attack and they killed how many(130)? and what are their laws?

We have one that kills 14, and our gun laws are to blame?

Evil people wanting to do evil things will do them with pipe bombs, ied's, or planes.

We should be giving due recognition to the systems we have in place that repeatedly minimize the damage these types of evil acts attempt to inflict, instead of going for the happy happy joy joy solutions that far too often actually beget bad laws.

Most of the deaths in Paris were from the guns not the bombs. The guns were result of no border between France and countries with lax gun laws, not France's own laws. Just like many guns used in California crimes are the result of Nevada's non-existent gun laws.

Gun nuts love to point to Chicago and say that tough gun laws don't stop gun crime. That isn't because of Chicago's laws, it is because of other states' shitty laws. For example when I lived in Mississippi there were 3 pawns shops there that had sold the guns that were used in dozens of murders and at least 1 shot police officer.

Gun crime isn't caused by tough gun control laws it is allowed by weak gun control laws.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Most of the deaths in Paris were from the guns not the bombs. The guns were result of no border between France and countries with lax gun laws, not France's own laws. Just like many guns used in California crimes are the result of Nevada's non-existent gun laws.

Gun nuts love to point to Chicago and say that tough gun laws don't stop gun crime. That isn't because of Chicago's laws, it is because of other states' shitty laws. For example when I lived in Mississippi there were 3 pawns shops there that had sold the guns that were used in dozens of murders and at least 1 shot police officer.

Gun crime isn't caused by tough gun control laws it is allowed by weak gun control laws.

look how well his type of philosophy has served us worked in the "War on drugs".........

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Hog1

look how well his type of philosophy has served us worked in the "War on drugs".........

Drugs have a physiological and physical addiction, these make people crave them and thus willing to break the law to get them. Treatment is a much better option. Although GOP lawmakers do not wish to spend money of fighting addiction because they feel that it looks "weak on crime" and prefer to spend money on for profit prisons that kick money back to them as political contributions.

Guns only have physiological addictions. OH AND THERE IS THAT THING THAT DRUGS ONLY KILL PEOPLE WHO TAKE THEM, NOT OTHERS. The next time someone is killed by someone wielding a joint, your comparison may make sense.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Drugs have a physiological and physical addiction, these make people crave them and thus willing to break the law to get them. Treatment is a much better option. Although GOP lawmakers do not wish to spend money of fighting addiction because they feel that it looks "weak on crime" and prefer to spend money on for profit prisons that kick money back to them as political contributions.

Guns only have physiological addictions. OH AND THERE IS THAT THING THAT DRUGS ONLY KILL PEOPLE WHO TAKE THEM, NOT OTHERS. The next time someone is killed by someone welding a joint, your comparison may make sense.

Well if you take an arc welder to someone's joints you are going to maim them at the very least.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Most of the deaths in Paris were from the guns not the bombs. The guns were result of no border between France and countries with lax gun laws, not France's own laws. Just like many guns used in California crimes are the result of Nevada's non-existent gun laws.
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This is simply a false statement. If you don't believe me (I assume you won't), then I suggest you look at the links below. The short answer is every EU country has signed an agreement to a minimum restrictive set of gun laws. If they aren't being followed (ie Belgium) that moreso makes my point.

The long version follows:

The EU stance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overvi...uropean_Union:

Prior to abolition of the internal border controls, the Council of the European Communities adopted the Directive 91/477/EEC, which was later, in 2008, amended by Directive 2008/51/EC. As a Directive, it is not a self-executing norm, but a legislative act which requires Member State to achieve a particular result without dictating the means of achieving it. Member States must meet the minimum requirements laid down by the directive, but may also elect to adopt more stringent rules.[89] Thus certain countries such as the United Kingdom or Poland are unaffected as they maintain more stringent gun control laws than those effectively set as a minimum by the European Union, while others, like the Czech Republic, were forced to introduce more regulation in their national legislation.

Further,

Here are France's direct neighbors, the length of the border, and a synopsis of their gun laws or rating as provided by GunPolicy.org, Gun Law and Policy: Firearms and armed violence, country by country

Andorra 56.6 km -

Civilian Gun Registration
In Andorra, the law does require that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Andorra, licensed firearm dealers are required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority

Belgium 620 km - The regulation of guns in Belgium is categorised as restrictive

Germany 451 km same link, The regulation of guns in Germany is categorised as restrictive

Italy 488 km

In Italy, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession
Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Italy are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example self-defence, hunting, sport, work or performance of duties, as well as collection
Minimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Italy is 18 years
Gun Owner Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Italy must pass a background check which considers criminal and mental records
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
Licensed firearm owners in Italy are permitted to possess only ammunition suitable for the intended firearm

Luxembourg 73 km - The regulation of guns in Luxembourg is categorised as restrictive

Monaco 4.4 km - The regulation of guns in Monaco is categorised as restrictive

Spain 623 km - The regulation of guns in Spain is categorised as restrictive

Switzerland 573 km - The regulation of guns in Switzerland is categorised as restrictive

For comparison, here are their remarks on the US:
- The regulation of guns in the United States is categorised as permissive

the United States, non-prohibited persons of minimum age 23 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Minimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in the United States is regulated by state or local authorities according to weapon type, but is 18 years to purchase shotguns and rifles and 21 years to purchase all other firearms, according to Federal law
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in the United States stipulates that firearm possession should be denied or guns seized
Licensing Records
In the United States, authorities do not maintain a record of individual civilians permitted to acquire, possess, carry, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

France has a terrorist attack and they killed how many(130)? and what are their laws?

We have one that kills 14, and our gun laws are to blame?

Attributing the difference in death count to gun laws makes no sense, the death count difference there in Paris has everything to do with population density.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Attributing the difference in death count to gun laws makes no sense, the death count difference there in Paris has everything to do with population density.

Attributing the deaths in California to our gun laws makes very little sense. My point of the France attack is that when a person has the intent to cause major casualties they will do their damndest to achieve their goals and won't worry about whether or not they are legally allowed to have the guns that they are about to use.

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[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

France has a terrorist attack and they killed how many(130)? and what are their laws?

We have one that kills 14, and our gun laws are to blame?

Evil people wanting to do evil things will do them with pipe bombs, ied's, or planes.

We should be giving due recognition to the systems we have in place that repeatedly minimize the damage these types of evil acts attempt to inflict, instead of going for the happy happy joy joy solutions that far too often actually beget bad laws.

Europe has twice the population as the U.S. but not nearly the gun violence, although the Scandinavian countries and Switzerland have higher per capita deaths by gun violence. To be honest we don't know the full extent of gun violence in the U.S. since the CDC stopped tracking the impacts and rates in 1996. We basically have two groups pro gun control and anti gun control that are trying to make points without any credible data.