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[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Fundamentally Obama has stated the deal is necessary because the trade sanctions won't keep Iran from developing and implementing nukes....but the punishment for breaking deal is...what? Oh yea, more trade sanctions....wtf?
FWIW, I would endorse talking and a "deal" because I would not nuke their ass nor do I advocate BOTG for now. The deal has potential but O F'd us with the absurd loopholes conducive for launchwear production.
24day-6 month notice for inspection?
Bullshit, unlimited inspection without notice. We can start with some reality like this and build on it. In it's current form it is more useless garbage from O which may well be cost us, the West and Israel at the hands of the Peace Loving Muslims......

read the speech from today, it addresses these things. we've got international backing from a lot of nations for these sanctions specifically to halt advancement on nuclear weapons. if we back out, those sanctions fall apart and it makes it harder to get people to agree the next time we want to push something else (whether iran related or not) because they'll be less trusting of our ability to keep our commitments.

also, the inspection window is 24 hours to 24 days, no country is going to allow unlimited zero notice inspections.

also the gulf states military budgets FAR exceed iran's.

it's all been addressed pretty much point by point.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

read the speech from today, it addresses these things. we've got international backing from a lot of nations for these sanctions specifically to halt advancement on nuclear weapons. if we back out, those sanctions fall apart and it makes it harder to get people to agree the next time we want to push something else (whether iran related or not) because they'll be less trusting of our ability to keep our commitments.

also, the inspection window is 24 hours to 24 days, no country is going to allow unlimited zero notice inspections.

also the gulf states military budgets FAR exceed iran's.

it's all been addressed pretty much point by point.

Ill check it out

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

read the speech from today, it addresses these things. we've got international backing from a lot of nations for these sanctions specifically to halt advancement on nuclear weapons. if we back out, those sanctions fall apart and it makes it harder to get people to agree the next time we want to push something else (whether iran related or not) because they'll be less trusting of our ability to keep our commitments.
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also, the inspection window is 24 hours to 24 days, no country is going to allow unlimited zero notice inspections.

also the gulf states military budgets FAR exceed iran's.

it's all been addressed pretty much point by point.

That does not appear to be the case as any party in the agreement can open a dispute at their discretion.
Maybe Obama forgot that in his speech?
It appears to give great latitude (and potentially months of "dispute process") to resolve. Not enough teeth and way to much BS to allow the PL Iranians to hide behind.

Negotiating with terrorists.....be damned, WTF are we doing letting this deal go down with 4 American hostages in Iranian prisons?
We should not have agreed to these terms. Perhaps we would have fared better if the Israeli's had negotiated our end.
This country is our enemy and as made no attempt to hide it. They have stated daily...hourly they will only rest when Israel, the West and specifically the U.S.A. have been wiped off the earth.
We treated it like a meeting at Ford motor with the UAW
WTF are we doing allowing any country to gain control of the assets that will be released to these maniacs to be subsequently...........used on us?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That does not appear to be the case as any party in the agreement can open a dispute at their discretion.
Maybe Obama forgot that in his speech?
It appears to give great latitude (and potentially months of "dispute process") to resolve. Not enough teeth and way to much BS to allow the PL Iranians to hide behind.

Negotiating with terrorists.....be damned, WTF are we doing letting this deal go down with 4 American hostages in Iranian prisons?
We should not have agreed to these terms. Perhaps we would have fared better if the Israeli's had negotiated our end.
This country is our enemy and as made no attempt to hide it. They have stated daily...hourly they will only rest when Israel, the West and specifically the U.S.A. have been wiped off the earth.
We treated it like a meeting at Ford motor with the UAW
WTF are we doing allowing any country to gain control of the assets that will be released to these maniacs to be subsequently...........used on us?

great, when do you propose we start dropping nukes?

also, again, if we don't follow through, the sanctions fall apart and china and russia can start doing business as usual with them.

Russia was our enemy when the salt treaties etc were signed, somehow we managed to make it work and now no one is worried or practicing hiding under their desk to protect themselves from russian nukes. the solution that our enemies are our enemies and can never be anything besides our enemies is circular and self-fulfilling. If things don't work out they don't work out, but if you never try, you're guaranteeing a result you don't like.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by That Guy

great, when do you propose we start dropping nukes?

also, again, if we don't follow through, the sanctions fall apart and china and russia can start doing business as usual with them.

Russia was our enemy when the salt treaties etc were signed, somehow we managed to make it work and now no one is worried or practicing hiding under their desk to protect themselves from russian nukes. the solution that our enemies are our enemies and can never be anything besides our enemies is circular and self-fulfilling. If things don't work out they don't work out, but if you never try, you're guaranteeing a result you don't like.

How many times has Iran backout and straight up not followed through with past deals?

And why does the media and this administration feel that if a deal wasn't reached that we had some how failed? If negiotiations failed, the pressure and stress was clearly on Iran and its economy. U don't make a deal to make a deal to check a box off in your presidency. This dumb shit president is really amazing. Take a look around the world...things are so effed up it ridiculous. There is absolutely no defense of his incompetence and his administration in foreign affairs. Kerry did a poor job and gave into to the Iranians losing several key points within the last days of the negiotiations.

Drop nukes, that typical response from the left when u got nothing.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

How many times has Iran backout and straight up not followed through with past deals?

And why does the media and this administration feel that if a deal wasn't reached that we had some how failed? If negiotiations failed, the pressure and stress was clearly on Iran and its economy. U don't make a deal to make a deal to check a box off in your presidency. This dumb shit president is really amazing. Take a look around the world...things are so effed up it ridiculous. There is absolutely no defense of his incompetence and his administration in foreign affairs. Kerry did a poor job and gave into to the Iranians losing several key points within the last days of the negiotiations.

Drop nukes, that typical response from the left when u got nothing.

what would you do then? blind rage with no answers, typical trolling. when exactly was our last deal with iran that they backed out of? cause i sure can't remember it.