Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you know what TAFKAS? i have NO idea. i wish he was in a regular season situation long enough to even get a read. i really don't think practice and the preseason is where the real story is told, and even if it was, i think Ramsey played well enough to start a couple of whole games.

A 65 QB rating with 4 INTs was playing well enough to start a few games?

The preseason wasn't enough for you to say he was shaky, ok that's fine I guess.

But were you there all during the offseason workouts, during minicamps and training camp?

I'm not saying I was either, but obviously Gibbs has a better grasp of the situation than any of us do, and I guess I'm blindly following him but I trust he understands the situation much better than we do and I'm 110% sure his decision is based on the entire offseason and preseason and not just 3 series against the Bears.

He's had the entire offseason and preseason to show he's done with making bad decisions, holding on to the ball too long and turning it over. I don't know how anyone can honestly say he's done that. He just hasn't. Gibbs obviously doesn't see a quick fix in store for Ramsey, so why let him continue to struggle and potentially hurt the team's chances at getting out to a good start.

Least year he struggled in the preseason, did anyone want him starting last year at this time? By the end of the season he was much improved, and perhaps the same thing will happen again this year. I just don't see how anyone can say he's ready right now though.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

A 65 QB rating with 4 INTs was playing well enough to start a few games?

The preseason wasn't enough for you to say he was shaky, ok that's fine I guess.

But were you there all during the offseason workouts, during minicamps and training camp?

I'm not saying I was either, but obviously Gibbs has a better grasp of the situation than any of us do, and I guess I'm blindly following him but I trust he understands the situation much better than we do and I'm 110% sure his decision is based on the entire offseason and preseason and not just 3 series against the Bears.

He's had the entire offseason and preseason to show he's done with making bad decisions, holding on to the ball too long and turning it over. I don't know how anyone can honestly say he's done that. He just hasn't. Gibbs obviously doesn't see a quick fix in store for Ramsey, so why let him continue to struggle and potentially hurt the team's chances at getting out to a good start.

Least year he struggled in the preseason, did anyone want him starting last year at this time? By the end of the season he was much improved, and perhaps the same thing will happen again this year. I just don't see how anyone can say he's ready right now though.

Agreed. Coach Gibbs is coach for good reason so let's let him coach, shall we. He has the ability to make the calls for the best of the team (as a whole) not just in the QB position. I personally think he was giving Ramsey a really "generous" chance to begin with by giving him the starting position. Yeah, I know Brunnell was horrible last year to say the least but that was 2004-2005 season, we are a year later and from what I have seen (this year) be it scrimmage, preseason or the first 19 minutes of game 1, season 2005-2006, a change needs to be made at QB and coach has the skill and knowledge to make changes as needed and that is what he did in this case.

For all that are calling Joe "a liar", would you rather have him stick to a preseason call to name Patrick as the starter QB or win football games....call me crazy or selfish even, but I would like to start winning football games.

At this point, if Brunnell does not produce and coach chooses to pull him after the first 15 minutes of game 2 and start Campbell, that's fine with me as long as we win football games.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

For all that are calling Joe "a liar", would you rather have him stick to a preseason call to name Patrick as the starter QB or win football games....call me crazy or selfish even, but I would like to start winning football games.

calling gibbs a liar and wanting to win games aren't mutually exclusive. You can say he made the move he thought he needed to to win games, but still know that he told EVERYONE every chance he got that ramsey was the starter up until 19minutes into the game. technically he never lied, but in spirit its pretty obvious what he said and what he really wanted/was going to do were very different things.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

A 65 QB rating with 4 INTs was playing well enough to start a few games?

The preseason wasn't enough for you to say he was shaky, ok that's fine I guess.

But were you there all during the offseason workouts, during minicamps and training camp?

GAMES, measure his progress in real meaningful games, not worthless fluff. Not everyone is being used, not everyone is playing hard, and the first two games were CLEARLY nothing near a real offense (testing deep passes etc).

I don't think anyone here was calling for brunell BEFORE the bears game, but it sucks that everyone's magically transformed their opinions overnight so they can continue to be gibbs apologists.

NEITHER QB has proved their worth their contracts, but this crap about how preseason means nothing goes out the window once it supports your/gibbs position?

Roth should be tossed, manning, they all sucked in preseason, bench them all. No other starters got benched after 1 int and 19 minutes this season. If you think gibbs decision is the best for the team that's fine, but i'm not buying this ramsey is horrible compared to brunell crap, they both suck equally. Ramsey just keeps defenders 10 yards farther down the field.

[jermus22]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I don't think anyone here was calling for brunell BEFORE the bears game, but it sucks that everyone's magically transformed their opinions overnight so they can continue to be gibbs apologists.

Relax, dude. I'm definitely one of those guys who wasn't calling for Brunell before the game, and personally I would've let Ramsey continue as the starter while keeping him on a short leash for the next two or three games. But I also realize that Gibbs deserves our confidence after HOF induction and getting three Super Bowl rings. And Ramsey did turn the ball over three times in 19 minutes! I'm not saying your opinion doesn't count, but the truth is this: 1. you haven't been in all the team meetings, 2. you haven't been in the locker room, and 3. you've never coached the Washington Redskins. It's cool if you wanna disagree with people on this site, but you don't need to bash on Gibbs.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jermus22

Relax, dude. I'm definitely one of those guys who wasn't calling for Brunell before the game, and personally I would've let Ramsey continue as the starter while keeping him on a short leash for the next two or three games. But I also realize that Gibbs deserves our confidence after HOF induction and getting three Super Bowl rings. And Ramsey did turn the ball over three times in 19 minutes! I'm not saying your opinion doesn't count, but the truth is this: 1. you haven't been in all the team meetings, 2. you haven't been in the locker room, and 3. you've never coached the Washington Redskins. It's cool if you wanna disagree with people on this site, but you don't need to bash on Gibbs.

I don't think i have, and none of us have been in those meetings, and none of our opinions will change anything, but going by that there'd be absolutely nothing left to talk about.