Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by illdefined

no one will answer this: if Brunell was indeed visibly hurt, why would Gibbs keep playing him and losing game after game after game when he had a healthy young QB with experience sitting next to him? who started winning games once he was finally put in? *this* is why we're allowed to question Gibbs in the first couple years of his comeback. you accuse people of being emotionally tied to people, but why doesn't that apply to coaches?

sigh. anyone? anyone?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by illdefined

no one will answer this: if Brunell was indeed visibly hurt, why would Gibbs keep playing him and losing game after game after game when he had a healthy young QB with experience sitting next to him? who started winning games once he was finally put in? *this* is why we're allowed to question Gibbs in the first couple years of his comeback. you accuse people of being emotionally tied to people, but why doesn't that apply to coaches?
sigh. anyone? anyone?

I'll take you on. Because RAMSEY SUCKED THAT PRESEASON!!!

Brunell got hurt in week 2 against the Giants. What exactly did Ramsey do up until that point to convince anyone that he could come in and play well? Hell, he threw so many INTs in that Giants game in relief of Brunell, I'm surprised he could even make a college team.

After the preseason performance and that Giants performance, what coach in his right mind would switch to Ramsey, even if Brunell's passes were soft?

Ramsey finally learned enough of the offense by week 10 to come in and play better than an injured Brunell. So then Gibbs made the switch. I can't blame Gibbs for what he did last year. And he's right on the money this year.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'll take you on. Because RAMSEY SUCKED THAT PRESEASON!!!

Brunell got hurt in week 2 against the Giants. What exactly did Ramsey do up until that point to convince anyone that he could come in and play well? Hell, he threw so many INTs in that Giants game in relief of Brunell, I'm surprised he could even make a college team.

After the preseason performance and that Giants performance, what coach in his right mind would switch to Ramsey, even if Brunell's passes were soft?

Ramsey finally learned enough of the offense by week 10 to come in and play better than an injured Brunell. So then Gibbs made the switch. I can't blame Gibbs for what he did last year. And he's right on the money this year.

finally someone answers. so Ramsey had "learned the offense" only after Brunell had already lost the season for us? convenient. dont you think 8 games worth of injured middle aged quarterback was too much?

it was Ramsey's performance in *real* games that got him the start this season, and i think that means a hell of alot more than the limited circumstances of preseason. to name Ramsey starter, dedicate the entire offseason to him and then pull him after 3 drives, is just more proof of uncertainty and you can't blame us for being completely freaked out.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by illdefined

finally someone answers. so Ramsey had "learned the offense" only after Brunell had already lost the season for us? convenient. dont you think 8 games worth of injured middle aged quarterback was too much?

it was Ramsey's performance in *real* games that got him the start this season, and i think that means a hell of alot more than the limited circumstances of preseason. to name Ramsey starter, dedicate the entire offseason to him and then pull him after 3 drives, is just more proof of uncertainty and you can't blame us for being completely freaked out.

So two fumbles in 19 minutes don't tell you anything?? They tell me that he still hasn't learned to take care of the ball. Turnovers are how you win and lose games in the NFL. How patient are you willing to be, especially when you have another veteran QB who won't turn it over nearly as much because he can scramble away?

I mean you can't possibly think Brunell will throw more picks than Ramsey. They're at least equals in that department. But you know very well that Brunell won't lose track of the pass rush and fumble as much as Ramsey does.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So two fumbles in 19 minutes don't tell you anything?? They tell me that he still hasn't learned to take care of the ball. Turnovers are how you win and lose games in the NFL. How patient are you willing to be, especially when you have another veteran QB who won't turn it over nearly as much because he can scramble away?

I mean you can't possibly think Brunell will throw more picks than Ramsey. They're at least equals in that department. But you know very well that Brunell won't lose track of the pass rush and fumble as much as Ramsey does.

Yes, Brunell is a competent "caretaker". He's just not a winner, at least not at this point in his career. Personally, I'd rather take my chances with a QB who gives us a chance to win, rather than one who makes fewer mistakes.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So two fumbles in 19 minutes don't tell you anything?? They tell me that he still hasn't learned to take care of the ball. Turnovers are how you win and lose games in the NFL. How patient are you willing to be, especially when you have another veteran QB who won't turn it over nearly as much because he can scramble away?

I mean you can't possibly think Brunell will throw more picks than Ramsey. They're at least equals in that department. But you know very well that Brunell won't lose track of the pass rush and fumble as much as Ramsey does.

yeah it tells me the first three drives of the season against a fresh, motivated Bears defense is a bitch. Brunell would have ducked Lance Briggs' clothesline right? cuz he's a vet? Brunell got a nice worn down defense, just ask Portis.

so what did 16 GAMES last season tell you?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by illdefined

yeah it tells me the first three drives of the season against a fresh, motivated Bears defense is a bitch. Brunell would have ducked Lance Briggs' clothesline right? cuz he's a vet? Brunell got a nice worn down defense, just ask Portis.

so what did 16 GAMES last season tell you?

Maybe Brunell would have fumbled on the Briggs hit, maybe he wouldn't have. But the point is I like his chances at getting away from future pass rushers better than Ramsey, and I like his internal clock better than Ramsey's.

You didn't even address the other fumble which Jansen and Rabach jumped on. That was all a function of Ramsey holding onto the ball way too long, and not securing it when the defenders finally got to him.

Last year's 16 games told me that we went through growing pains. The offensive line was miserable, we missed Jansen and our center sucked. Dockery was only average as well. Brunell got chased all over tarnation, and he had no receivers to throw to. Coles couldn't create separation because his toe was banged up, and Gardner was slow and inconsistent. Gibbs also did not know what he had in Cooley at this point. Brunell hurt himself, had to run all over the place, and never got a fair shake. Ramsey finally learned the ropes and played decently at the end of the season. But he still made his fair share of stupid decisions, like the toss to Cooley when he was double covered by a LB and Brian Dawkins in the end zone.

Now, we have an offensive line and Brunell has more zip on his passes. He played decently in preseason while Ramsey took 90% of the reps in practice. Now Brunell is getting the reps, and I like his veteran savvy better. I think he's a better fit this year. I don't want an erratic QB who I have to wonder if he'll fumble the next time a DE sacks him after 4 seconds of sitting in the pocket. I want a QB who manages the game and doesn't turn it over so that Portis and our D can win it for us.

[skinsfan0201]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Maybe Brunell would have fumbled on the Briggs hit, maybe he wouldn't have. But the point is I like his chances at getting away from future pass rushers better than Ramsey, and I like his internal clock better than Ramsey's.

You didn't even address the other fumble which Jansen and Rabach jumped on. That was all a function of Ramsey holding onto the ball way too long, and not securing it when the defenders finally got to him.

Last year's 16 games told me that we went through growing pains. The offensive line was miserable, we missed Jansen and our center sucked. Dockery was only average as well. Brunell got chased all over tarnation, and he had no receivers to throw to. Coles couldn't create separation because his toe was banged up, and Gardner was slow and inconsistent. Gibbs also did not know what he had in Cooley at this point. Brunell hurt himself, had to run all over the place, and never got a fair shake. Ramsey finally learned the ropes and played decently at the end of the season. But he still made his fair share of stupid decisions, like the toss to Cooley when he was double covered by a LB and Brian Dawkins in the end zone.

Now, we have an offensive line and Brunell has more zip on his passes. He played decently in preseason while Ramsey took 90% of the reps in practice. Now Brunell is getting the reps, and I like his veteran savvy better. I think he's a better fit this year. I don't want an erratic QB who I have to wonder if he'll fumble the next time a DE sacks him after 4 seconds of sitting in the pocket. I want a QB who manages the game and doesn't turn it over so that Portis and our D can win it for us.

I don't know that we would have even been in that situation with Brunell that early in the game. We should have scored a touchdown remember!!!!?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Maybe Brunell would have fumbled on the Briggs hit, maybe he wouldn't have. But the point is I like his chances at getting away from future pass rushers better than Ramsey, and I like his internal clock better than Ramsey's.

You didn't even address the other fumble which Jansen and Rabach jumped on. That was all a function of Ramsey holding onto the ball way too long, and not securing it when the defenders finally got to him.

Last year's 16 games told me that we went through growing pains. The offensive line was miserable, we missed Jansen and our center sucked. Dockery was only average as well. Brunell got chased all over tarnation, and he had no receivers to throw to. Coles couldn't create separation because his toe was banged up, and Gardner was slow and inconsistent. Gibbs also did not know what he had in Cooley at this point. Brunell hurt himself, had to run all over the place, and never got a fair shake. Ramsey finally learned the ropes and played decently at the end of the season. But he still made his fair share of stupid decisions, like the toss to Cooley when he was double covered by a LB and Brian Dawkins in the end zone.

Now, we have an offensive line and Brunell has more zip on his passes. He played decently in preseason while Ramsey took 90% of the reps in practice. Now Brunell is getting the reps, and I like his veteran savvy better. I think he's a better fit this year. I don't want an erratic QB who I have to wonder if he'll fumble the next time a DE sacks him after 4 seconds of sitting in the pocket. I want a QB who manages the game and doesn't turn it over so that Portis and our D can win it for us.

we saw what both could do last season, and Ramsey did more with what he had. that much is PROVEN. Brunell may or may not be "healthier" than last season, but i know one thing, he's 36. he certainly won't be our starter next year, and we shouldn't be betting on a temporary solution.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

sigh. anyone? anyone?

Gibbs did stick by Brunell too long last year. I don't think anybody will deny that.

But the fact he was willing to stick with him for so long rather than going to a healthy Ramsey is telling, especially now that we've seen how inconsistent Ramsey remains.

[ArringtonRules]

See I don't think Ramsey is that inconsistent. You have to remember he is still a young QB. Plus he has never been given a clean slate by Gibbs and this coaching staff. It's as if Gibbs was waiting for him to get injured or fuck up, so that he could put his man in. I really don't understand why Gibbs is so much in love with this guy.
From Sunday's game I saw a lot of positives when Ramsey was there. There was a spark in our offense. Twice we converted on 3rd and long!! I was really impressed on how well Ramsey came back after the interception.
If I am Ramsey I would also demand to be traded. C'mon there is no point in fighiting for a position when you know that the other person has already made his mind. I am telling all of you right now that trading Ramsey is gonna cost us, as he is going to be a very good QB in any system where his headcoach believes in him. This is insane. I cannot belive that Gibbs of all the people is doing this

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs did stick by Brunell too long last year. I don't think anybody will deny that.

But the fact he was willing to stick with him for so long rather than going to a healthy Ramsey is telling, especially now that we've seen how inconsistent Ramsey remains.