So... The Government is Shut Down...

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

We have to just disagree on the first bold area. On the second Obama is dlaying what he knows is going to be an economic kick in the balls when its done. Why do you think so many companies are hiring so many part time workers. They are scared of the real cost of Obama care so they stop hiring full time employees even on a greater scale then before.

How many companies are at around 45 to 49 employees just not hiring anyone else so they don't have to conform to the new Obama care.

You really think Obama does not know this?

I do not "agree to disagree" with you. You are wrong. Period. For me to accept the "agree to disagree" cop out, you have to show me an alternative a comprehensive healthcare reform plan presented by the Republicans as a counter to the ACA. There is no such plan and to "agree to disagree" that there is one is intellectually lazy. You are wrong. You can refuse to accept that but it will not change the factually erroneous basis of your assertion.

[We can "agree to disagree" on the color of the sky when I say it is blue and you assert it is green with purple polka dots. Such an "agreement" It does not change the fact that your assertion is wrong and has no rational basis. Your assertion that Republicans presented true alternatives to the ACA has the same factual basis as an assertion that the sky is green with purple polka dots].

As to the rest, yes, Obama is playing politics and his actions will, ultimately, in the long term harm the infrastructure. Yes, I believe he is fully aware of the hidden costs of the ACA that you describe. As you assert, companies that might hire, won't hire or hire part-time rather than full-time. This, however, doesn't show as an immediate harm to most people ("I didn't have a job before the ACA, I don't have one now" OR "I didn't have a job before the ACA, but now I have a part time job").

Compare that to the people immediately put out of work, the loss of services caused by the Republicans' intransigence and you tell me who is playing the game of politics better at this point.

Originally Posted by firstdown

As to the benefit it creats I don't know other then another year to maybe find the votes to overturn the bill. At worst it delays a bad law another year.

By making it the reason they are defunding the entire federal Govt., the Republicans are ensuring that they will not have the votes to overturn it. The ACA is now a rallying point for Democrats and, in every close race, opposition to it will mark you a radical zealot ready to go nuclear - thus, alienating informed moderate voters of both parties and the largely uninformed sheeple.

If you can't see that the Republicans are cutting off their nose to spite their face on this ... well ... we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I do not "agree to disagree" with you. You are wrong. Period. For me to accept the "agree to disagree" cop out, you have to show me an alternative a comprehensive healthcare reform plan presented by the Republicans as a counter to the ACA. There is no such plan and to "agree to disagree" that there is one is intellectually lazy. You are wrong. You can refuse to accept that but it will not change the factually erroneous basis of your assertion.

[We can "agree to disagree" on the color of the sky when I say it is blue and you assert it is green with purple polka dots. Such an "agreement" It does not change the fact that your assertion is wrong and has no rational basis. Your assertion that Republicans presented true alternatives to the ACA has the same factual basis as an assertion that the sky is green with purple polka dots].

As to the rest, yes, Obama is playing politics and his actions will, ultimately, in the long term harm the infrastructure. Yes, I believe he is fully aware of the hidden costs of the ACA that you describe. As you assert, companies that might hire, won't hire or hire part-time rather than full-time. This, however, doesn't show as an immediate harm to most people ("I didn't have a job before the ACA, I don't have one now" OR "I didn't have a job before the ACA, but now I have a part time job").

Compare that to the people immediately put out of work, the loss of services caused by the Republicans' intransigence and you tell me who is playing the game of politics better at this point.



By making it the reason they are defunding the entire federal Govt., the Republicans are ensuring that they will not have the votes to overturn it. The ACA is now a rallying point for Democrats and, in every close race, opposition to it will mark you a radical zealot ready to go nuclear - thus, alienating informed moderate voters of both parties and the largely uninformed sheeple.

If you can't see that the Republicans are cutting off their nose to spite their face on this ... well ... we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

This was easy.

Rep. McKinley Endorses an Alternative to President Obama’s Health Care Law | Huntington News


Republicans Offer Alternative to Obama Health Care Plan | CNS News

House conservatives back 'Obamacare' alternative

HOUSE REPUBLICANS INTRODUCE OBAMACARE ALTERNATIVES | sreaves32

To say they have offered nothing is talking out your ass. Not you Joe.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

This was easy.

Rep. McKinley Endorses an Alternative to President Obama’s Health Care Law | Huntington News


Republicans Offer Alternative to Obama Health Care Plan | CNS News

House conservatives back 'Obamacare' alternative

HOUSE REPUBLICANS INTRODUCE OBAMACARE ALTERNATIVES | sreaves32

To say they have offered nothing is talking out your ass. Not you Joe.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Today House conservatives introduced the first detailed alternative to ObamaCare — legislation to increase the tax breaks for those who buy their own insurance.

Giving a tax break to those who purchase insurance isn't a alternative to Obamacare. GTFO with that weak shit. As Newt Gingrich said, the GOP haven't come up with ANYTHING. This is NEWT GINGRICH. The man who was near the top in the GOP voting to run for President. He's calling the party out because he knows they have nothing. He's right. They don't.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are you ****ing kidding me?




Giving a tax break to those who purchase insurance isn't a alternative to Obamacare. GTFO with that weak shit. As Newt Gingrich said, the GOP haven't come up with ANYTHING. This is NEWT GINGRICH. The man who was near the top in the GOP voting to run for President. He's calling the party out because he knows they have nothing. He's right. They don't.

So you only took one thing from all those post. Funny you discounted Newt in the elections but now he is your poster boy.