Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Tannehill's bust potential is really high for me not because I don't think he can play, but because the comparisons being thrown out with Luck and Griffin are pointless. No one with the first overall pick in any draft would ever consider Ryan Tannehill with it.

Eh? You think Tannehill's bust potential is high because you don't see the comparison to Luck and Griffin? Scratches head.
Its a skillset comparison not draft position comparison.
Anyone that has watched enough of Tannehill to have a valid assessment of his skillset and denies the obvious comparison of physical skillset to Griffin and Luck specifically is imo practicing football dishonesty.

I don't disagree with a coach who watches every snap Tannehill took at Texas A&M, sees a few advanced skills and things "I can certainly work with this."

Usually when a team/staff drafts a QB the decision is driven by a coach that thinks the bolded underlined portion above.

But you look at who NFL teams are trying so hard to replace at quarterback these days: Ryan Tannehill clones. It's so bizarre that teams are so desperate for quarterback upgrades that they'll consider quarterbacks who will inevitably need to be upgraded down the road

Huh? Ryan Tannehill clones from a skillset standpoint? If so who?

A lot of your thoughts on Tannehill appears to be based in your opinion that Foles and Cousins can make throws that Tannehill, which is a difficult opinion to support.

I suppose that you could do the same with Tannehill and try to give him open looks down the field, but his inability to throw at the Senior Bowl or Combine has simply left him unable to answer key questions about his downfield throwing, which was never impressive on tape, certainly not as impressive as his intermediate throwing.

If you're gonna be consistent then of course you have to accept that through scheme you can protect a prospect from his weakness just like with Foles or Cousins.
Despite Tannehill's inability to throw at the Senior Bowl and at the combine no other prospect has been able to distinguish themselves in the eyes of the sports media and enter the conversation as the 3rd QB.
(I say sports media because the actual scouting/FO evaluations are well guarded and the media opinion is shaped more by agent/scout/FO agenda double talk then it is the truth. So when the sports media are 'shocked' or 'surprised' when a player gets drafted higher then they expect its much less a 'reach' then the realization that the sports media opinion doesn't always match scout/FO evaluations.
But I digress...)
If teams have Tannehill rated as the 3rd QB its likely that they have already found the answers to the questions that you have and likely don't share your negative opinions about his downfield throwing that you harbor.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Eh? You think Tannehill's bust potential is high because you don't see the comparison to Luck and Griffin? Scratches head.
Its a skillset comparison not draft position comparison.
Anyone that has watched enough of Tannehill to have a valid assessment of his skillset and denies the obvious comparison of physical skillset to Griffin and Luck specifically is imo practicing football dishonesty.

Usually when a team/staff drafts a QB the decision is driven by a coach that thinks the bolded underlined portion above.

Huh? Ryan Tannehill clones from a skillset standpoint? If so who?

A lot of your thoughts on Tannehill appears to be based in your opinion that Foles and Cousins can make throws that Tannehill, which is a difficult opinion to support.
If you're gonna be consistent then of course you have to accept that through scheme you can protect a prospect from his weakness just like with Foles or Cousins.
Despite Tannehill's inability to throw at the Senior Bowl and at the combine no other prospect has been able to distinguish themselves in the eyes of the sports media and enter the conversation as the 3rd QB.
(I say sports media because the actual scouting/FO evaluations are well guarded and the media opinion is shaped more by agent/scout/FO agenda double talk then it is the truth. So when the sports media are 'shocked' or 'surprised' when a player gets drafted higher then they expect its much less a 'reach' then the realization that the sports media opinion doesn't always match scout/FO evaluations.
But I digress...)
If teams have Tannehill rated as the 3rd QB its likely that they have already found the answers to the questions that you have and likely don't share your negative opinions about his downfield throwing that you harbor.

No, you have it wrong. It's dishonest and unproductive to make the comparison between Tannehill and Luck/Griffin. Physically, it's not close. Tannehill is a good athlete for a quarterback. He can make plays with his legs, and can outrun some linebackers. But Luck and Griffin are two of the better athletes at the position that have come out in years.

The issue is whether Tannehill is in a class by himself - a first round skill set that puts him in a class above Cousins/Foles/etc, or just part of that group of talented seniors who might make some noise in the NFL if they can find the right system. If you have all second/third/fourth round grades on those prospects, then rolling the dice on Tannehill makes some sense. He is, in terms of athleticism, superior to Cousins, Foles, Moore, etc. However, I don't think the limitations Tannehill has shown within pocket shouldn't just be shrugged off.

I think Tannehill throws the ball to some area of the field really well, and not as well to others. I am interested to see what he can become, but know what I'm getting in the prospects who are more accomplished from the pocket.

I'm open to the argument that his skill set and strong foundation in the short passing game makes him the most desirable of the rest of the QB prospects, but the Luck-Griffin comparisons aren't useful.

[warriorzpath]

I don't know... watching Tannehill run as a qb- he looks very impressive. He would give defenses fits with his running ability. He's not in the same category as RGIII, but I think he's close- maybe better in some areas because of his experience and skill at wideout. I think he beats Luck in terms of running skills and athleticism - hands down. Once Tannehill gets his passing skills and decision-making caught up to his running ability, he will be dangerous.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know... watching Tannehill run as a qb- he looks very impressive. He would give defenses fits with his running ability. He's not in the same category as RGIII, but I think he's close- maybe better in some areas because of his experience and skill at wideout. I think he beats Luck in terms of running skills and athleticism - hands down. Once Tannehill gets his passing skills and decision-making caught up to his running ability, he will be dangerous.

He just doesn't though. Luck routinely breaks off runs that have him outrunning college corners. Tannehill has his fair share of breakaway TD runs as well, but we're not talking about two guys in the same class.

Luck is going to be a great threat with his legs in the pros regardless of system. Tannehill is more than capable of running the ball within the context of the system, with designed boots and rollouts and draws and such, but he's not Andrew Luck or Cam Newton or Robert Griffin physically. He's just not the same guy.

I think a better comp, athletically, would be Stafford.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No, you have it wrong. It's dishonest and unproductive to make the comparison between Tannehill and Luck/Griffin. Physically, it's not close. Tannehill is a good athlete for a quarterback. He can make plays with his legs, and can outrun some linebackers.
But Luck and Griffin are two of the better athletes at the position that have come out in years.

Just last year you have Newton, Locker, Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor and Josh Portis all great athletes and you kinda have to throw Terrelle Pryor in there too.

Mayock and other people like to pull out Luck's one handed catch on a wide open QB throwback pass as evidence of his athleticism.
It seems silly to profess that the guy that lead his team in receiving for 2 years (2008 and 2009) isn't at least equally as athletic.

If you wanna say that Griffin is in another class then sure I can understand that, he's a near Olympic caliber athlete.
But its beyond me how anyone can deny that Tannehill, who was the both the best WR and the best QB on the Aggies, doesn't at least have an equal level (if not is flat out superior) of athleticism then Luck.
To me, and I could be way off base, but your opinions of Tannehill kinda smacks of someone that really hasn't watched very much of Tannehill at all really.

However, I don't think the limitations Tannehill has shown within pocket shouldn't just be shrugged off.

Don't worry about shrugging them off because you're probably the only one that thinks he has them, especially in comparison to Foles and Cousins.

I think Tannehill throws the ball to some area of the field really well, and not as well to others.

This is a generic criticism that could be levied against any QB prospect.

The irony is that I'm not even a Tannehill 'guy' , at first I begrudgingly watched him after he took the top spot from Jerrod Johnson.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Mayock and other people like to pull out Luck's one handed catch on a wide open QB throwback pass as evidence of his athleticism.
It seems silly to profess that the guy that lead his team in receiving for 2 years (2008 and 2009) isn't at least equally as athletic.

If you wanna say that Griffin is in another class then sure I can understand that, he's a near Olympic caliber athlete.
But its beyond me how anyone can deny that Tannehill, who was the both the best WR and the best QB on the Aggies, doesn't at least have an equal level (if not is flat out superior) of athleticism then Luck.
To me, and I could be way off base, but your opinions of Tannehill kinda smacks of someone that really hasn't watched very much of Tannehill at all really.

Don't worry about shrugging them off because you're probably the only one that thinks he has them, especially in comparison to Foles and Cousins.

This is a generic criticism that could be levied against any QB prospect.

The irony is that I'm not even a Tannehill 'guy' , at first I begrudgingly watched him after he took the top spot from Jerrod Johnson.

Yeah, I'm with you. I don't get the criticism that Tannehill suffers from greater pocket limitations than Foles or Cousins at all. To me Tannehill has an obvious advantage there. I've seen Cousins panic too many times and Foles is terrible in his footwork.

[redskins5044]

It could go either 2 ways as i see it with the QB situation. Mike needs to figure out the QB position to save his job and here are the 2 ways i see it happening.

1. He needs to either move up in the draft and get either Luck or Griffin or sell the owner and fan base on some other QB in this draft. This will buy him 2 more years, to develop and build around a young QB.

or

2. If manning is healthy sign him and hope he can play for 2 to 3 years. He can spend this years and next years draft to get him some help. And also draft a young QB to play behind manning.

If he brings in a Orton, signs a Flynn or trades for Hoyer and they have a less than .500 record he will be done.

[RedskinRat]

If it's true then how quickly did our F.O. get on the phone?

This will make things interesting.

[skinsfaninok]

Yes they will but they have not yet , I think It's going to Cleveland

[BuckSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yes they will but they have not yet , I think It's going to Cleveland

The Rams may be playing with house money. They could take Cleveland's #4 & #22 picks this year, or hoping the Redskins end up 5-11 again. Netting our # 6 this year and a #5 thru #8 next year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BuckSkin

The Rams may be playing with house money. They could take Cleveland's #4 & #22 picks this year, or hoping the Redskins end up 5-11 again. Netting our # 6 this year and a #5 thru #8 next year.

The two first this year does it for me if i'm the rams, they are the least talented team in the nfl

[redskins5044]

Well we will all see once FA starts how it might play out a little better. If Cleveland signs Flynn and Manning goes to Dolphins then the price will drop a little. For some reason i think the trade could have right before FA starts so the Rams will get most for the #2 picks.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

If it's true then how quickly did our F.O. get on the phone?

This will make things interesting.

You forgot the 'will' part.

Kinda changes things a bit.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

If it's true then how quickly did our F.O. get on the phone?

This will make things interesting.

No need to jump on the phone...they already had dinner with the Rams people on Saturday night.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by celts32

No need to jump on the phone...they already had dinner with the Rams people on Saturday night.

Ah I can picture it now

"And what will you be having Mr. Shanahan?"

*Intense stare at Fischer*

"Veal."