Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey

[jdlea]

The Redskins have no one to blame but themselves for Ramsey not having any trade value. If we didn't spend the last 2 years trashing him and labeling him a turnover machine then maybe we could get some real compensation for him. I say take whatever we can get and move on. I think it's clear that the Jason Campbell era absolutely has to start sooner than later. Be it at some point this year or next he needs to get on the field. You don't use a first on a guy and have him sit forever. I say make the deal and let Ramsey get a fresh start where maybe the coaches want him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

The Redskins have no one to blame but themselves for Ramsey not having any trade value. If we didn't spend the last 2 years trashing him and labeling him a turnover machine then maybe we could get some real compensation for him. I say take whatever we can get and move on. I think it's clear that the Jason Campbell era absolutely has to start sooner than later. Be it at some point this year or next he needs to get on the field. You don't use a first on a guy and have him sit forever. I say make the deal and let Ramsey get a fresh start where maybe the coaches want him.

You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.

votes of confidence like immediately giving a gigantic contract (and a draft pick) to another team for brunell. waiting forever to bench brunell. naming ramsey the starter and immediately drafting a 1st round QB. letting ramsey play 10minutes and benching him again for the year. then spending the offseason talking up campbell and how its time for him to step up now.

publicly, gibbs's actions have thrashed him in about every way possible

[#56fanatic]

[QUOTE=That Guy]votes of confidence like immediately giving a gigantic contract (and a draft pick) to another team for brunell. waiting forever to bench brunell. naming ramsey the starter and immediately drafting a 1st round QB. letting ramsey play 10minutes and benching him again for the year. then spending the offseason talking up campbell and how its time for him to step up now.

publicly, gibbs's actions have thrashed him in about every way possible

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I do agree with you there. not a lot of confidence building in those actions!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by That Guy

votes of confidence like immediately giving a gigantic contract (and a draft pick) to another team for brunell. waiting forever to bench brunell. naming ramsey the starter and immediately drafting a 1st round QB. letting ramsey play 10minutes and benching him again for the year. then spending the offseason talking up campbell and how its time for him to step up now.

publicly, gibbs's actions have thrashed him in about every way possible

Yeah, so no one ever said "we don't like Patrick" but they've made it plenty obvious over the last 2 years. You just keep adding quarterbacks who are clearly there to replace him. Oh, I mean "compete" with him. The writing has been on the wall since Brunell got his huge contract. It was obvious then that Patrick wasn't going to be the starter. The Redskins have made it obvious they don't like/want/trust Patrick since Joe got there. So because they didn't publicly tear him down that means that they didn't trash him? Come on.

I'm not going to sit back and act like it's all Gibbs's fault. Patrick could have played so well that it was undeniable that you leave him in. Howevever, in 04 Brunell made it undeniable that he couldn't play and he got like 10 weeks to suck before he got yanked. Ramsey got one half where he had 2 turnovers and then it was over for him. He really hasn't been given much of a shot since Gibbs got here, and that's fine, I just think they should let him move on.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.

OK Matty, now I have heard everything!

Are you trying to make a case that Gibbs hasen't made this guy look as if he doesn't even know what a football looks like? Gibbs has treated him like a red headed step child, and torn him apart with his actions from day 1, while signing his praises when it doesn't count. Kind of like when we take an ass kicking and he lets everyone know how we fought our guts out, who are we kidding?


Bottom line, Ramsey is far more valuable than anything a 6th rd pick could bring back, especially the way we draft in the later rounds.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

OK Matty, now I have heard everything!

Are you trying to make a case that Gibbs hasen't made this guy look as if he doesn't even know what a football looks like? Gibbs has treated him like a red headed step child, and torn him apart with his actions from day 1, while signing his praises when it doesn't count. Kind of like when we take an ass kicking and he lets everyone know how we fought our guts out, who are we kidding?


Bottom line, Ramsey is far more valuable than anything a 6th rd pick could bring back, especially the way we draft in the later rounds.

Has Gibbs said anything about him publicly that could be classified as "trashing" him?

That's all I was saying.