The 2011 NFL Combine Discussion Thread

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The no one asked me combine QB notes:

1st group:

Speed Out x3 (Left/Right) -5 step no hitch and throw: 3 big-2 quick open hips/rocker step throw:Locker (L) 3 good ones (R) 3 good ones
Mallett (L) 3 good ones (R) 2 good ones
Dalton (R) 3 good ones
Kaep (R) 2 good ones
Jerrod Johnson (R) 2 good ones

Slants x3 (Left) 3 quick and throwMallett 3 very good ones
Locker 2 good ones
Dalton 3 good ones

Go Route 7 step w/ hitch 3 big 4 quick-small 1 hitch
Kaep +2 launched 1 on a line
Locker +3 (completed all the 3) but didn't uncork any underthrew one and threw a perfect one
Mallett +3 didn't complete any IIRC but freakin launched all 3 of his
Dalton +3 completed all 3
QB #4 (Enderle?)= 2 good ones

Group 2:

Speed Out x3 (Left/Right) -5 step no hitch and throw: 3 big-2 quick open hips/rocker step throw:
Stanzi (R) 3 good ones (L) 3 good ones -throwing to a spot not worried about the completions
Ponder (R) 1good one (L) 2 good ones*
Newton (R) 1 good one*
Portis (R) 3 good ones (L) 3 completions**
Tyrod (R) 3 good ones but was throwing very under control

*Ponder and Newton were hitching (taking an extra step or waiting) at the top of their drops and it threw off their rhythm.
I think the wanted to complete the pass rather then just throw it to the spot and were waiting on there WRs where as Stanzi just ripped it on time on target if the WR was there or not.
Newton seemed very deliberate in his drop like he was thinking about it, which is probably b/c he is thinking about it: executing a 5 step drop rhythm throw is new to him.

**Portis drop back was off rhythm but his throws were on time his footwork reminded me of Cutler bad footwork good throw.

Poster Corner (Right side) 3 big 4 quick-small hitch and throw
Stanzi 3 good ones
Newton 2 good ones
Portis 3 good ones
Tyrod 2 good ones
Tolzien(sp?) 3 good ones

Sounds to me like Dalton is sneaking up, he would be my pick.

[Terpfan76]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Why? Because he can bench press a lot? 49 reps @ 225 is silly strong to be sure, but that doesn't make him a can't miss, day one starter.

You say he just jumped to the top of your wish list. Be honest- was he even anywhere near your list before today? He's not even 300 lbs and probably the 4th or 5th DT out available.

I agree that it's quite premature to consider him some kind of can't miss prospect just because he was able to throw 225lbs up 49 times. Hell yeah it's impressive, but that doesn't make him the top dog.

Now he may not be the #1 DT in the draft, but I think he may now be the best NT in the draft if he gains more weight or 3-4 DE. He happens to be 6'1" 303lbs.

edit:
Just checked out the scouting reports on him at Sporting News and NFL.com and he's getting rave reviews so maybe there is something to him being a beast. Let's just not get Mamula'ed

[Terpfan76]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Sounds to me like Dalton is sneaking up, he would be my pick.

Where? In the first round? Second? No way in the first and at this point it would be a reach in the second. We have too many other needs to reach on a kid like Dalton even as talented as some think he is.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

I agree that it's quite premature to consider him some kind of can't miss prospect just because he was able to throw 225lbs up 49 times. Hell yeah it's impressive, but that doesn't make him the top dog.

Now he may not be the #1 DT in the draft, but I think he may now be the best NT in the draft if he gains more weight or 3-4 DE. He happens to be 6'1" 303lbs.

edit:
Just checked out the scouting reports on him at Sporting News and NFL.com and he's getting rave reviews so maybe there is something to him being a beast. Let's just not get Mamula'ed

Most of the stuff I've seen has him at around 295lbs. Not that that's small, but it's way short of the dominant NT/DTs in the league.

Oregon State's Paea sets Combine bench-press record - NFL - Sporting News

Stephen Paea | Oregon State, DT : 2011 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

[Terpfan76]

I'll go with this assessment of his height/weight:
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Stephen Paea

Was kinda surprised to see DaRel Scott ran a 4.34. Pretty impressive.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

I'll go with this assessment of his height/weight:
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Stephen Paea

Was kinda surprised to see DaRel Scott ran a 4.34. Pretty impressive.

Yeah Scott's 40 was impressive.

As for Paea, 303, 295, whatever. How much does Raji weigh? Haloti Ngata? Just saying.

I think Paea could be a solid player, but I just don't see him as a "can't miss, day 1 starter."

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I get him before I get Farley or whatever his name is.

You don't like Nick Fairley? You should look at more film of him, then. I think you might change your mind about him. I think he'll be an outstanding NFL player.

I think that a NT needs more bulk than Paea can carry. We'd be more likely to draft Phil Taylor at that position. The 40-45 lb. difference between the two of them is significant for a NT.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah Scott's 40 was impressive.

As for Paea, 303, 295, whatever. How much does Raji weigh? Haloti Ngata? Just saying.

I think Paea could be a solid player, but I just don't see him as a "can't miss, day 1 starter."

I think that Scott is underrated. I suppose that is due to the perception that he has a fumbling problem. Tiki Barber fumbled alot, too, but Tom Coughlin helped him to fix the problem. I think Scott could be cured also.

If he wasn't seen as a fumbler, then what would his image be? I think it would be as a "home run hitter". If this guy gets through a hole cleanly, he's gone. He proved that in college. Also, he catches the ball well and he usually does something good with it after the catch. He has good size, as well, to go with his blazing speed. I think he could be a very good 3rd Down Back in the NFL.

By the way, it would be a shame if we don't get a 3rd Down Back in the 2011 Draft. Kendall Hunter, Demarco Murray, Shane Vereen, and Scott are all good prospects for that role, IMO. We need more draft picks!

[Terpfan76]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I think that Scott is underrated. I suppose that is due to the perception that he has a fumbling problem. Tiki Barber fumbled alot, too, but Tom Coughlin helped him to fix the problem. I think Scott could be cured also.

If he wasn't seen as a fumbler, then what would his image be? I think it would be as a "home run hitter". If this guy gets through a hole cleanly, he's gone. He proved that in college. Also, he catches the ball well and he usually does something good with it after the catch. He has good size, as well, to go with his blazing speed. I think he could be a very good 3rd Down Back in the NFL.

By the way, it would be a shame if we don't get a 3rd Down Back in the 2011 Draft. Kendall Hunter, Demarco Murray, Shane Vereen, and Scott are all good prospects for that role, IMO. We need more draft picks!

I've said before that I thought DaRel Scott would be a good fit in our "one cut" scheme. He doesn't have great shiftiness or anything like that, but he has good acceleration and and great speed. Seems as though he'd be a dang near perfect fit. Maybe a late round pick or UDFA?

[KI Skins Fan]

[QUOTE=Terpfan76;786518]I've said before that I thought DaRel Scott would be a good fit in our "one cut" scheme. He doesn't have great shiftiness or anything like that, but he has good acceleration and and great speed. Seems as though he'd be a dang near perfect fit. Maybe a late round pick or UDFA?[/QUOTE]

His NFL Combine performance should ensure that he is drafted. I think that it might even move him up as high as the 6th or even the 5th Round, in my humble, ignorant opinion.

Come to think of it, he's a very fast guy from Maryland so Al Davis might draft him in the 1st Round.

[Terpfan76]

[quote=KI Skins Fan;786520]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

I've said before that I thought DaRel Scott would be a good fit in our "one cut" scheme. He doesn't have great shiftiness or anything like that, but he has good acceleration and and great speed. Seems as though he'd be a dang near perfect fit. Maybe a late round pick or UDFA?[/QUOTE]

His NFL Combine performance should ensure that he is drafted. I think that it might even move him up as high as the 6th or even the 5th Round, in my humble, ignorant opinion.

Come to think of it, he's a very fast guy from Maryland so Al Davis might draft him in the 1st Round.

I don't know, he didn't win the Heisman... But who knows. Al knows talent... lol

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I think that Scott is underrated. I suppose that is due to the perception that he has a fumbling problem. Tiki Barber fumbled alot, too, but Tom Coughlin helped him to fix the problem. I think Scott could be cured also.

If he wasn't seen as a fumbler, then what would his image be? I think it would be as a "home run hitter". If this guy gets through a hole cleanly, he's gone. He proved that in college. Also, he catches the ball well and he usually does something good with it after the catch. He has good size, as well, to go with his blazing speed. I think he could be a very good 3rd Down Back in the NFL.

By the way, it would be a shame if we don't get a 3rd Down Back in the 2011 Draft. Kendall Hunter, Demarco Murray, Shane Vereen, and Scott are all good prospects for that role, IMO. We need more draft picks!

The thing that I don't I like about Fairley is his attitude, he's a punk. Paea on the other hand can be like Warren Sapp.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's not a Shanahan type of QB that's for sure. He's going to be a statue in the pocket. But at least he's big enough to take the punishment, and he should be able to muscle his way out of some sacks.

Is a mobile QB needed in this offense? With last year's OL, yes.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

Is a mobile QB needed in this offense? With last year's OL, yes.

Even with a good OL, the Shanny offense features many bootlegs and rollouts where QB mobility is at a premium.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The thing that I don't I like about Fairley is his attitude, he's a punk. Paea on the other hand can be like Warren Sapp.

Fairley and Dareus should be off the board before the Skins select at #10. Paea just isn't rated that high considering other prospects who play different positions to be drafted at that point. The team would be lucky to find a trade partner to perhaps have a shot at a nabbing two players in the later first and/or early second round.