The Vick Factor

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

No its not agreed he would be a public relations nightmare, he grew up in redskins country and would greatly embraced.

The question really is how he would fit in.

It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm not worried about whether Vick plays again or not. I really couldn't care less. I think he has a lot of work to do on just being a decent human being. I don't see him doing anything for the Redskins except being a media circus. We don't need him. It kinda boggles my mind that someone worth millions of dollars would spend their time fighting dogs??? I guess Forrest Gump was right, "Stupid is as stupid does." What a f**king idiot.

Thats like saying why would millionaires take drugs, drive fast, beat their wives. Money rarely changes a persons bad habits, normally lets them fulfill more their bad traits and habits.

I certainly dont see him as a great quarterback, but the point was made earlier in thread he is still better than some of the starting qbs playing now. Certainly Atlanta grossly overpaid on last contract, so while hes not the 130 dollar man he is still a good qb. Just dont see him fitting in here.

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by Daseal

A team that takes Vick better be ready for loads and loads of backlash. Including losing fans, protests on game day, etc. I don't think Snyder would be willing to go through that because unlike most bad publicity, this one could truly hurt the team.

That said, I think Vick a) gets suspended for more games by the league when it's over. b) Did something terrible. He made a conscious decision to break a dog's back... over his knee. That's disgusting to me, and I have a hard time forgetting that. It wasn't just dog fighting, then killing the animals when they're of no use to him anymore, he took time and fun to torture these poor animals to death.

He's a piece of shit, and if he were on the Redskins, I may have to seriously consider abstaining from the Redskins till he was no longer a part of the team.

For the record, no one loves a dog more than me, in fact I volunteer for an animal welfare organization. I also think we have more pressing needs than a QB. Still, I wouldn't be immediately opposed to Vick in teh B&G.

Sure, the Peta crazies would picket, holla and scream instead of actually being productive to, say, decrease fighting rings by changing laws, work w/ at-risk youth (young Vicks) exposed to fighting, bring reform, etc. Eventually everyone has to return to their day job.

As for Vick, he has a lot to regain, to prove, there's redemption, he's hungry, well, I think it would be good for a struggling team to be on that wave. We've seen the last of his hostile attitude to fans. Besides, this team needs a pulse.

Lose Redskin fans? Sure you'd drop a few (plz, plz, plz, let it be the posers in the Club Level), but if Vick made us A Contendah again they'd come crawling back. Personally as a 25+ year fan who has gone far too long without, I'd never budge. Actually, it's Dan Snyder who challenges my religion every day.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.

Southside must be bandwagon country, the Peninsula is no doubt redskin country. Though not winning since 1991 isnt helping. If skins went all the way this year Hampton roads would explode with B&G.

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.

I've got a lot family in Newport News and Portsmouth, VA area. Always a strong Redskin following down there. I suspsect the fanbase went the way of our playoff appearances since 91...

[Missin21]

I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Do you think the skins should take a chance on Vick he has been released officially.

I for one would do it. I would sign him at a low cost and sit him on the bench behind Jason. Great insurance policy if Campbell decides not to stay with us we have a probowl caliber player and he would bring so much to the offense.

Absolutely, positively NO!
We have an aging offensive line, do you think they would be able to handle Vick's running? (assuming he still can) If he can't run like he could (which is a good bet he can't) then he's useless cause his throwing ability was one of the worst in the league when he left, and it's 2 years later.

MUCH rather have Brennan and Collins!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Missin21

I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

WHAT? That makes no sense. What Vick did was a FELONY! I can't stand Romanowski, but what he did was not a felony. To TRY to compare the two even farther...Romanowski lost his temper in the heat of a moment, Vick, knowingly and continually tortured dogs in such a fowl way that it would make most puke and haunt their memories forever. Sorry bud, there is about as much comparison here to the Skins vs 4 year old ballet students!
I will NEVER stop being a skins fan, but I do not want this guy not for what he did (he paid his debt) but because he is no good as a QB. No way his legs are as good as they were 2 years ago making him useless.

[wilsowilso]

If the players want to bring a dog to practice for the day we could hire Vick to walk the dogs around Redskin Park so they could get some quality exercise.

Hell no!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Thats like saying why would millionaires take drugs, drive fast, beat their wives. Money rarely changes a persons bad habits, normally lets them fulfill more their bad traits and habits.

I certainly dont see him as a great quarterback, but the point was made earlier in thread he is still better than some of the starting qbs playing now. Certainly Atlanta grossly overpaid on last contract, so while hes not the 130 dollar man he is still a good qb. Just dont see him fitting in here.

I don't know why anyone would beat their wife. I guess it's a sickness (coward maybe?) just like hurting animals. If Vick gets the same rush from hurting animals as some people get from drugs or driving fast...he's really got a problem.

Vick would cause two problems which would lean me towards saying no way. First off it would cause a QB controversy here and would probably lead towards Campbell demanding a trade before the season starts. I also think Vick isnt a good QB. The same problems everyone has with Campbell will be the same problems everyone will have with Mike Vick.

[MasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO!

Thats so laughable, its stupid

[sportscurmudgeon]

Some folks have said here they want Michael Vick here to sit behind Jason Campbell as an insurance policy. That leads me to pose two questions...

1. When Michael Vick went to court for his bankruptcy filing about 2 months ago, his projection for his future NFL earnings showed $10M over the first two years after being reinstated. Unless my calculator is broken, that is just a bit more than "vet minimum"... For those who want him as an insurance policy, would you still want him at something approaching $5M/year? Remember, Danny Boy rarely underpays the people he signs.


2. Michael Vick is still the property of the Atlanta Falcons and therefore, he can be traded by the Falcons to another team. For those who want him as an insurance policy, what would you be willing to give to the Falcons in order to make certain that Michael Vick winds up here in Washington as opposed to anywhere else in the NFL?

Originally Posted by MasterBlaster

Thats so laughable, its stupid

How is what he said stupid? He brought up some good points. Maybe Vick isnt a "cancer" like other players but his worth on the field probably isnt worth the risk.

[MasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by Missin21

I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

Out of everything being said, on this matter, this is the most brilliant thing said on this matter period......