Calvin Johnson a bust?

htownskinfan · 11-23-2007, 12:28 AM

I looked up his stats
2005 Houston 63 rec for 688 yrds,not real impressive unless you consider it was david carr passing to him!l lol
plus with his off line he never had time to pass

jsarno · 11-23-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

No, Roy Williams is playing pretty good, Shaun McDonald has stepped up pretty big, and Mike Furrey is getting balls thrown to him. The Lions are spreading the ball and for a rookie 402 yards thus far isn't bad and there are 5 more games to go. Not every rookie WR can step up and ball. If Johnson ends up with 700 yards and 5 TDs that's a pretty good first season if you ask me.

In their first seasons:
Jerry Rice - 927 yards and 3 TDs.
TO - 520 yards and 3 TDs.
Marvin Harrison - 836 yards and 8 TDs.
Reggie Wyne - 345 yards and 0 TDs.
...and so on, and so on.

You won't find too many WR who tore it up in their first season in the NFL (Randy Moss seems to be the lone exception I can recall). If Johnson works hard in the upcoming off-season he is going to destroy DBs (ala jump ball football).

WHile you make a good point, has any of those players been hyped like Johnson? In fact, has ANY WR been hyped like Johnson ever?

jsarno · 11-23-2007, 12:35 AM

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LOL, Jsarno you crack me up. I love your shtick.

Thank you!

htownskinfan · 11-23-2007, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

WHile you make a good point, has any of those players been hyped like Johnson? In fact, has ANY WR been hyped like Johnson ever?

yeah,brandon lloyd when we signed him!!:smashfrea

The Zimmermans · 11-23-2007, 12:59 AM

Calvin is gonna be good, he seems a little slow, and it will take a while for him to click with the QB in a timing passing offense like the lions have. At Gtech they just chucked the ball down the sideline to him....he will get good if he stays healthy. This is silly to call someone a bust in their 10th game as a pro, or probably less than that due to injury.

12thMan · 11-23-2007, 10:01 AM

I think he'll be good. But I was definitely one of the ones who wanted Johnson if he was there. In fact, I remember going back forth with Dmek prior to draft day.

Anyway, looks like the Skins made the right pick with Laron Landry; really pleased with him. From what I saw yesterday, Johnson isn't running good pass routes. He and Kitna have a lot of work to do in the offseason.

Cowell · 11-23-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think he'll be good. But I was definitely one of the ones who wanted Johnson if he was there. In fact, I remember going back forth with Dmek prior to draft day.

Anyway, looks like the Skins made the right pick with Laron Landry; really pleased with him. From what I saw yesterday, Johnson isn't running good pass routes. He and Kitna have a lot of work to do in the offseason.

I agree, he looked somewhat rusty yesterday. I know he has been hurt earlier in the season, but that was way earlier. Either is ankle is still hurting him or he just needs a lot of work.

I really think that the NFL has been the hardest to adjust to than any other first rounder than Johnson, he used to just have to run a post route to the endzone and stand there, now he can't do that and he actually has to run routes and play against people who can actually match up to him physically.

12thMan · 11-23-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowell

I agree, he looked somewhat rusty yesterday. I know he has been hurt earlier in the season, but that was way earlier. Either is ankle is still hurting him or he just needs a lot of work.

I really think that the NFL has been the hardest to adjust to than any other first rounder than Johnson, he used to just have to run a post route to the endzone and stand there, now he can't do that and he actually has to run routes and play against people who can actually match up to him physically.

I agree that he's had hardest time adjusting, but I don't totally buy that it takes time for WR to adjust to the NFL. Marcus Colston had an excellent season in his rookie year. And there are a few around the league this year that are holding their own.

I think in the NFL, no matter what the position, you get out of it what you put into it. Plain and simple.

chrisl4064 · 11-23-2007, 11:17 AM

Not a bust. Although next year his numbers need to at least double.

SouperMeister · 11-23-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree that he's had hardest time adjusting, but I don't totally buy that it takes time for WR to adjust to the NFL. Marcus Colston had an excellent season in his rookie year. And there are a few around the league this year that are holding their own.

I think in the NFL, no matter what the position, you get out of it what you put into it. Plain and simple.

Colston is a huge exception. Most WRs take at least 2-3 years to adjust to the NFL, and many drafted in the first round flame out altogether. Johnson has been injured most of this season. He will be a force in this league. If it doesn't happen for him in Detroit, I'd love to see him get a shot here. I'm sure Campbell would find a way to get him the ball, especially in the red zone.

12thMan · 11-23-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Colston is a huge exception. Most WRs take at least 2-3 years to adjust to the NFL, and many drafted in the first round flame out altogether. Johnson has been injured most of this season. He will be a force in this league. If it doesn't happen for him in Detroit, I'd love to see him get a shot here. I'm sure Campbell would find a way to get him the ball, especially in the red zone.

I agree with you about Colston, but look at Dwayne Bowe (Chiefs) and James Jones (Green Bay) are WR that have been more productive than CJ this year, and there are a few others on his tail.

Also, we are talking about a guy that was taken number two in the entire draft - number two! So when people are talking about bust, I think they are saying that in context. Yes, he may be good but was he "number two" good?

jrocx69 · 11-24-2007, 10:58 PM

umm, did alot of you forget Roy Williams is the man there and furrey with mcdonald just take away even more for CJ to take off yet. he also has a back injury thats been lingering since week 4 i believe. By keeping furrey and signing mcdonald and not trading Roy... it says to me that they didnt expect CJ to be an elite force as of yet. And last, kitna barely has time with their o-line mixed in with martz's system. so alot of you are just typing football ignorance.

GusFrerotte · 11-25-2007, 12:32 AM

He has done a decent job for a rookie and is not a bust. He had a few drops against the Packers, but made plenty of catches and took a hell of a beating in making up for his first half miscues. He will be a solid WR in a couple seasons. Everyone nowadays expects a 1st round rookie to be a megastar right away, but that is totally buying into the hype and is unrealistic.

djnemo65 · 11-25-2007, 12:43 AM

CJ is a good guy too with a strong work ethic. I think a lot of the time these receivers come into the league with an attitude and then don't put the work in needed to elevate their game. With CJ that won't be the case.

SuperFan99 · 11-26-2007, 11:18 AM

Too early to tell about Johnson. I saw him make some great catches on Thanksgiving . . . the guy's got talent. Plus, it usually takes 2-3 years before a receiver gets used to the NFL's tighter coverages. RBs, for some reason, are able to make impacts as rookies. It's rare for a rookie receiver to do that.

11-23-2007, 12:28 AM	#16
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,906	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? I looked up his stats 2005 Houston 63 rec for 688 yrds,not real impressive unless you consider it was david carr passing to him!l lol plus with his off line he never had time to pass __________________ Make The Redskins Great Again

11-23-2007, 12:59 AM	#20
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? Calvin is gonna be good, he seems a little slow, and it will take a while for him to click with the QB in a timing passing offense like the lions have. At Gtech they just chucked the ball down the sideline to him....he will get good if he stays healthy. This is silly to call someone a bust in their 10th game as a pro, or probably less than that due to injury. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-23-2007, 10:01 AM	#21
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? I think he'll be good. But I was definitely one of the ones who wanted Johnson if he was there. In fact, I remember going back forth with Dmek prior to draft day. Anyway, looks like the Skins made the right pick with Laron Landry; really pleased with him. From what I saw yesterday, Johnson isn't running good pass routes. He and Kitna have a lot of work to do in the offseason.

11-23-2007, 11:17 AM	#24
chrisl4064 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lake Travis, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 786	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? Not a bust. Although next year his numbers need to at least double.

11-24-2007, 10:58 PM	#27
jrocx69 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Age: 43 Posts: 461	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? umm, did alot of you forget Roy Williams is the man there and furrey with mcdonald just take away even more for CJ to take off yet. he also has a back injury thats been lingering since week 4 i believe. By keeping furrey and signing mcdonald and not trading Roy... it says to me that they didnt expect CJ to be an elite force as of yet. And last, kitna barely has time with their o-line mixed in with martz's system. so alot of you are just typing football ignorance.

11-25-2007, 12:32 AM	#28
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? He has done a decent job for a rookie and is not a bust. He had a few drops against the Packers, but made plenty of catches and took a hell of a beating in making up for his first half miscues. He will be a solid WR in a couple seasons. Everyone nowadays expects a 1st round rookie to be a megastar right away, but that is totally buying into the hype and is unrealistic.

11-25-2007, 12:43 AM	#29
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? CJ is a good guy too with a strong work ethic. I think a lot of the time these receivers come into the league with an attitude and then don't put the work in needed to elevate their game. With CJ that won't be the case.

11-26-2007, 11:18 AM	#30
SuperFan99 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 32	Re: Calvin Johnson a bust? Too early to tell about Johnson. I saw him make some great catches on Thanksgiving . . . the guy's got talent. Plus, it usually takes 2-3 years before a receiver gets used to the NFL's tighter coverages. RBs, for some reason, are able to make impacts as rookies. It's rare for a rookie receiver to do that.

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