The Legitimacy of Super Bowls 17 & 22

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by punch it in

helmet catch schmelmet catch

Yea, where is he now?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Whether we had better scabs than they did or not, that's a front office problem that falls on the general manager. If they weren't able to assemble a team with the best players that could be located then that's their fault. Bobby Beathard was like 10 GMs in one. He's truly the reason why the Redskins were so successful during that era.

Dont remember enough about it to know how much work/scouting/effort went into the scabs.

[SouperMeister]

Those Super Bowls produced two of the most legendary performances in NFL history. John Riggins set a then Super Bowl record with 166 yards rushing, including the iconic 4th down go ahead 43 yard TD run in Super Bowl XVII. Doug Williams quarterbacked the single greatest offensive explosion, Super Bowl or otherwise, in the 2nd quarter of Super Bowl XXII - 18 plays, 356 yards, and 35 points, including 4 TD passes. Those performances are more memorable than any the Giants have produced in their four winning Super Bowls.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Being from Washington D.C. and living in NYC, a lot of NY Giants fans like to claim that the Redskins victories over the Miami Dolphins and the Denver Broncos in Super Bowls 17 and 22 are not legit simply because they happened only because NFL players strikes shortened those seasons. What they don't realize is that that 1982 team was good enough to not only amass the most points in a season in NFL history the next season and return to the Super Bowl, had it won it would have been considered the greatest team off all time.

As far as the 1987 team, they had made it to the NFC championship game and lost against the NYG the previous year. To be good enough to go that far and then go back the next season not only reveals how good a team the 1987 team was, but like the 1982 team, proves it's legitimacy.

The Giants fans are drunk with their chest poked out only because they've won 2 Super Bowls in the past 5 years. Their arrogance blinds them to reality, I often tell them. But their day is coming when under Coach Coughlin they will endure a miserable losing season.

I seek the true insight of Redskins Nation on this topic. Thoughts?

Not much we can say cause 07 and 11 they had to win 4 games in order to lift the trophy. But to me it's stupid to discredit the 82 and 87 years. Actually in 87 SF and Chicago were the two best teams. SF was upset by Minn and of course everyone remembers the upset against Chicago where D. Green ran back the punt in the freezing cold. We still had to beat quality teams to just get to the SB. In 82 we had to win 4 games and again...had to beat the best teams in the playoffs, including Dexter knocking out D.White! Great memories!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah I agree with Giantone on this, and yes Eli will be a HOFer

I don't think Eli is a HOF type QB. He's still not on the level of Brady or Brees or Rogers. He's pretty damn good but not in that class. He still makes throws that rookies make and he made a few of them last week. But at this point of his career the good outweighs the bad.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think Eli is a HOF type QB. He's still not on the level of Brady or Brees or Rogers. He's pretty damn good but not in that class. He still makes throws that rookies make and he made a few of them last week. But at this point of his career the good outweighs the bad.

LOL, so 2super bowls and 2 MVPs aren't good enough for you.Wanna bet you would take them right now???

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Only if those Washington teams were great 14-2/13-3/12-4 etc. The NYG teams that won Super Bowls 42 & 46 were not great teams. They were 10-6 and 9-7 going into the playoffs those years. Especially the 2011 NYG team that at one point had a 4 game losing streak and a little luck within the post season. Their credibility in the SB comes from already have beaten the Patriots in New England during the regular season that year. But I don't see how a fan base can brag and boast about a lowly above average team that were fortunate to win out. They were nothing like the Saints and Packers in 2011.

wow, I now understand why you are having problems up in NY,I'm done.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Giantone

wow, I now understand why you are having problems up in NY,I'm done.

Do you really? The Packers, 49ers, Saints and other NFC playoff teams were indeed good. The NYG on the other hand were lucky.

[coggs]

As a Giants fan, I have never once questioned the legitimacy of the 82 and 87 titles. Had the 87 strike continued and they league used replacement players for the play-offs and Super Bowl, then there is an asterik.

As for the Giants in 07 and 11, no they were not a dominant 14-2, 13-3 type team. However, in both seasons they went on the road to beat the #1 and then #2 seed in the NFC and in both years beat the AFC's #1 seed. In 07, they even played their first play-off game on the road. Can't get a much tougher road to the title then what the Giants did.

Secondly, ANY fan who claims they wouldn't celebrate or get a big head over Championships like the Giants won because they didnt dominate the regular season, is more full of $h!t than a politician.

[coggs]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Do you really? The Packers, 49ers, Saints and other NFC playoff teams were indeed good. The NYG on the other hand were lucky.

And, the Giants walked into Green Bay and totally dominated the Packers. If not for two horrendous calls the Giants win that game 50-0, then walked into San Fran and won.

[coggs]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Only if those Washington teams were great 14-2/13-3/12-4 etc. The NYG teams that won Super Bowls 42 & 46 were not great teams. They were 10-6 and 9-7 going into the playoffs those years. Especially the 2011 NYG team that at one point had a 4 game losing streak and a little luck within the post season. Their credibility in the SB comes from already have beaten the Patriots in New England during the regular season that year. But I don't see how a fan base can brag and boast about a lowly above average team that were fortunate to win out. They were nothing like the Saints and Packers in 2011.

In that case the 87 Redskins were nothing like the 85 Bears, 86 Giants, 84 Niners, 89 Niners, 90 Giants, 83 Raiders, 92 Cowboys, 93 Cowboys, 94 Niners, 95 Cowboys and so forth. What is your point? Seems like it is you who needs the convincing about the legitimacy of the Skins titles, not the Giants fans. In fact, I have never in my life ever heard a Giants fan make the claim to which you are accusing.

[punch it in]

Lets just say that every team who has ever won a superbowl was awesome and end this insanity. If you want to stake a claim of which was better that is one thing but to say any of them were lucky or not legitimate is sour grapes, jealous, and just dumb.


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[44ever]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lets just say that every team who has ever won a superbowl was awesome and end this insanity. If you want to stake a claim of which was better that is one thing but to say any of them were lucky or not legitimate is sour grapes, jealous, and just dumb.


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Agree, Great teams find a way to win when they need to win. Giants are a great team and have been for some time now. I hate the MFs but its the truth.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL, so 2super bowls and 2 MVPs aren't good enough for you.Wanna bet you would take them right now???

So Eli won them by himself? I guess Eli played defense huh? Eli's clutch, but I just don't put him in the class of the guys I mentioned. And sorry, that first SB, they should've given the MVP to the entire Giants D-line, not Eli. But as I said, when the games on the line, Eli's been money. Does that put him in the HOF? Probably since he's QB'd two SB winners. I just don't put him in the class of guys like ...Marino, Montana, Moon, ..he's a very good QB but not quite a great one.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by coggs

As a Giants fan, I have never once questioned the legitimacy of the 82 and 87 titles. Had the 87 strike continued and they league used replacement players for the play-offs and Super Bowl, then there is an asterik.

As for the Giants in 07 and 11, no they were not a dominant 14-2, 13-3 type team. However, in both seasons they went on the road to beat the #1 and then #2 seed in the NFC and in both years beat the AFC's #1 seed. In 07, they even played their first play-off game on the road. Can't get a much tougher road to the title then what the Giants did.

Secondly, ANY fan who claims they wouldn't celebrate or get a big head over Championships like the Giants won because they didnt dominate the regular season, is more full of $h!t than a politician.

Agreed. G-men are mentally tough road warriors. They earned it the hard way. Enough said.