The Vick Factor

[diehardskin2982]

Do you think the skins should take a chance on Vick he has been released officially.

I for one would do it. I would sign him at a low cost and sit him on the bench behind Jason. Great insurance policy if Campbell decides not to stay with us we have a probowl caliber player and he would bring so much to the offense.

[CRedskinsRule]

no. but CP is a fan of MV, and CP knows DS, so DS may push to get MV. Don't know what JZ or VC think though. So

If CP >JC +VC then
MV
else
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MonkFan4Life]

I would. I know some people will say no because of the dog fighting stuff but seriously the man went took his punishment now it's time to move on. I'm looking at him as a football player, so I say yes.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I would. I know some people will say no because of the dog fighting stuff but seriously the man went took his punishment now it's time to move on. I'm looking at him as a football player, so I say yes.

I am not worried about the dog-fighting - as you said he did his time now move on. But I don't want him here as a player. We have a QB, we have a WR/QB in ARE, and we have RBs so, what position does he fill here?
He may go somewhere else and shine, and that would be great, but he would not do much to improve us, that i can see.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am not worried about the dog-fighting - as you said he did his time now move on. But I don't want him here as a player. We have a QB, we have a WR/QB in ARE, and we have RBs so, what position does he fill here?
He may go somewhere else and shine, and that would be great, but he would not do much to improve us, that i can see.

Okay. Is JC in the last year of his contract? Is ARE a full time QB? I honestly think we should cut him if we could and it wouldn't cost us any money. He would play QB. He could sit for one season behind Campbell. Then at theend of the season he should be in shape or before then. I think he would improve us dramatically. Because he can throw the long ball and he is a threat to run. So it causes defense to respect our offense. I am rooting for JC but it would be nice to have Vick as a back up this season...But as far as what position he plays. QB. After he gets back in shape. If Jason doesn't do his thing. We have Vick getting and getting ready to play. By the end of the season or next season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Okay. Is JC in the last year of his contract? Is ARE a full time QB? I honestly think we should cut him if we could and it wouldn't cost us any money. He would play QB. He could sit for one season behind Campbell. Then at theend of the season he should be in shape or before then. I think he would improve us dramatically. Because he can throw the long ball and he is a threat to run. So it causes defense to respect our offense. I am rooting for JC but it would be nice to have Vick as a back up this season...But as far as what position he plays. QB. After he gets back in shape. If Jason doesn't do his thing. We have Vick getting and getting ready to play. By the end of the season or next season.

+1

I think JC is gonna have a good year and earn a contract.
But, there is always the possibility that JC could leave on his own or that JC doesn't have a good enough season by Synder's standards and is gone after this season.

I was a huge fan of Vick, i lived in ATL for 2 years and watched a bunch of Vick's games and the kid can play.
He wasn't the best passer but converted alot of 3rd downs and was one of the most deadly players in the open field ever.
Vick presence was big help in the run game, the threat of a Vick bootleg is enough to keep the backside end/LB honest and prevent them from making plays in the run game. (But, i digress)
I think Vick could become a better passer, it never seemed that he was getting top level coaching at the QB position, and i think Zorn could work wonders with him.

I think Vick makes sense as a back-up QB with a team that has a proven system, a good QB coach, a strong HC and a patient owner.

I think Vick could catch on somewhere, i would like to see him come here, but i don't know if we're the best fit for him.

If Synder is gonna commit to Zorn then i think Vick could work here an insurance policy for a JC injury or if JC leaves.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I would. I know some people will say no because of the dog fighting stuff but seriously the man went took his punishment now it's time to move on. I'm looking at him as a football player, so I say yes.

Dogfighting isn't the issue at all with most folks nixing this idea. To win the whole enchilada and even make the playoffs you have to pass effectively. Vick couldn't pass effectively to save his life!!!!!!! Vick couldn't get the #1 rushing team in the NFL into the playoffs because he sucks as a passer. Matt Ryan gave that franchise a shot in the arm last season. Sure he can't dance like Vick, but he sure can pass now can't he? Brennan has more of a shot at future playoffs for us than Vick!!!

[gibbsisgod]

The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO!

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO!

Flipping off fans that probably said some pretty harsh things, we all go to games so we know how "entitled" we as fans feel we are to say what we want because we bought a ticket. I can't excuse it but I can understand it. We don't think about the fact that this man probably was called every thing in the book and he's supposed to take that every week, so one day he flipped off a guy. It's not like in his press conference he said F you to the fans. Ron Mexico, oh you mean when he used a fake name to get medicine ? Cancel that one. Failed drug test ? For what weed ? Laughable. Cancer ? I think that is going just a bit too far. I swear fans use that word too quickly.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Flipping off fans that probably said some pretty harsh things, we all go to games so we know how "entitled" we as fans feel we are to say what we want because we bought a ticket. I can't excuse it but I can understand it. We don't think about the fact that this man probably was called every thing in the book and he's supposed to take that every week, so one day he flipped off a guy. It's not like in his press conference he said F you to the fans. Ron Mexico, oh you mean when he used a fake name to get medicine ? Cancel that one. Failed drug test ? For what weed ? Laughable. Cancer ? I think that is going just a bit too far. I swear fans use that word too quickly.

I dont have alot of time to argue the flipping off the fans incident. But as to the Ron Mexico thing, I was referring to the Lawsuit that was brought about because he knowingly gave a chick an STD. She listed it as his alias. And the failed drug test isn't about weed. Its about failing ANY drug test while your out on bail. Is he really that dumb?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO!

I never remember Vick failing any drug test. I do know a guy who lives down the street from him and his wife was saying that they have had a ton of traffic in their neighbor hood from all the media hanging out infront of his home.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I never remember Vick failing any drug test. I do know a guy who lives down the street from him and his wife was saying that they have had a ton of traffic in their neighbor hood from all the media hanging out infront of his home.

From wikipedia

<H5>Failed drug test while free on bail

While free on bail, Vick tested positive for marijuana in a random drug test. This is a violation of the conditions of his release while awaiting sentencing in federal court for his felony conviction. Vick's positive urine sample was submitted September 13, 2007, according to a document by a federal probation officer that was filed in U.S. District Court on September 26.
As a result, U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson ordered Vick confined to his Hampton, Virginia home[45] between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. with electronic monitoring until his court hearing date in December. He also was ordered to submit to random drug testing.
Co-defendant Quanis Phillips was incarcerated earlier after his August 17 plea hearing because he had failed drug tests with monitoring equipment and regulations already in place

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[firstdown]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

From wikipedia


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Ok, now I remember that I was thinking more along the lines of failing an NFL drug test.

[MasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO!

Thats so laughable, its stupid

Originally Posted by MasterBlaster

Thats so laughable, its stupid

How is what he said stupid? He brought up some good points. Maybe Vick isnt a "cancer" like other players but his worth on the field probably isnt worth the risk.