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MTK 10-03-2005 02:00 PM

Bradshaw eating some crow
 
[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4926946"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4926946[/url]

My point today is that we live in a world where we all want instant gratification. We want to jump on the Internet. We're on the cell phone going to work. Everything is now. We want everything now. Fast. Speed. Give me answers today. Right now. We have no patience.

Now, everybody knows I'm a traditionalist. I hate the Internet. I hate cell phones. But because of the world we live in, pro football has transcended into a sport that cries out, "Fix-me-now, give-me-results today." Our world, the one in Washington, D.C., has put so much pressure on such a great coach like Joe Gibbs.

After the first week of the season, I told Gibbs to fix his quarterback situation. I was as guilty as the next guy. Sure, they won in Week 1, but I didn't like the offense I was seeing. All I saw was this old offense with all his old offensive coaching staff, one that was protected by a sensational Gregg Williams' defense.

But you know what Gibbs did? He still has himself a running back in Clinton Portis. Yep, Portis is a little different than what Gibbs is used to, but Portis is doing his job. He found himself a solid H-back in Chris Cooley and he brought in that old quarterback, Mark Brunell. I'm still not sure that Brunell is the guy simply because everyone is asking back there, "Can he last? Can he last?"

But I really liked what I saw Sunday against the Seahawks. The Redskins are picking up their blocking schemes. The offensive linemen are picking up the blitzes and that delay blitz I talked about on our postgame show that ended up in the game-deciding 30-yard pass to Santana Moss. That proved the linemen and Brunell are seeing things. Brunell is like these other guys. Give him time, he's a veteran. He's polished. He throws a great deep ball. He really throws a pretty pass and he makes good decisions when he has time.

It's damn impressive what the Redskins have accomplished thus far.

Let's go back to last year. Remember, at the end of last season, Gibbs came out and said, "Let's not be so quick in writing off Brunell." Patrick Ramsey, yes, he's pretty good, but Brunell can still play.

Now, I was one of those guys who openly questioned Gibbs when he said that. Did he really believe that? I was saying, "Hey, get the young kid in there. You can't win with Brunell."

Why did I do that? Because I'm following into a trap like everyone else. Pick up the papers back in Washington. The writers thought Gibbs was dead wrong about Brunell. [b]I've learned my lesson. There is no way I know more about what's going on in Washington than Gibbs.[/b] I just see it from a studio and I'm impressed that the Redskins are 3-0 and in first place.

Redskins_P 10-03-2005 02:32 PM

Re: Bradshaw eating some crow
 
Hey at least he came out and admitted it. I'm not a big fan of Bradshaw, but that was real classy of him to come out and admit he was wrong (which he is most of the time).

VTSkins897 10-03-2005 02:33 PM

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nice article. glad to hear it from TB.

dblanch66 10-03-2005 02:33 PM

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I respect the fact that he can own up to his shit. Most people like Dr. Zit and Len Fat ass would never admit to being wrong.

Hog1 10-03-2005 02:35 PM

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Well said,
Within this website is an amazing amount of debate over what is an obsession for us all. Our beloved SKINS. We can take any position on any issue. Regardless of which side of the fence you are on, like it or don't. Old man GIbbs has built us a competative FOOTBALL team. They will ONLY get better..............fast. ENJOY

MTK 10-03-2005 02:46 PM

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I really like the point he makes about how nobody has any patience anymore.

It's so true, just look at all the idiots calling for Gibbs' head halfway through last season. Some people wrote off Joe Gibbs off before even giving him a real chance. He went from hero to zero in 8 games, and based on that he was given absolutely no chance this year as these unsubstantiated rumors kept flying how he would quit if the Skins struggled again this year.

The media as a whole really has their collective heads up their asses sometimes. And it's so fun to see them proven wrong, especially when we knew what the real story was here.

12thMan 10-03-2005 02:52 PM

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Good for TB! Now just think, if he's seeing the game from the studio, - as he admitted-as not catching it all, where in the hell are Dr.Z and Peter King, and oh, my man Banks seeing it from?

Good job TB. Bottom line, unless you are a Warpath member you have no right to take shots at our Skins. j/k. Kinda....:)

Sociofan 10-03-2005 03:34 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I really like the point he makes about how nobody has any patience anymore.

It's so true, just look at all the idiots calling for Gibbs' head halfway through last season. Some people wrote off Joe Gibbs off before even giving him a real chance. He went from hero to zero in 8 games, and based on that he was given absolutely no chance this year as these unsubstantiated rumors kept flying how he would quit if the Skins struggled again this year.

The media as a whole really has their collective heads up their asses sometimes. And it's so fun to see them proven wrong, especially when we knew what the real story was here.[/QUOTE]

Great capture from Bradshaw. The guys at FOX can talk football without letting their egos get in the way.

To your point Matty, I think it must be the salary cap. Everyone fears getting stuck with an overpriced turkey and so it has become "Perform today or hit the street." It used to be that QBs might sit on the bench for several years before assuming a starting role. Not anymore. They cost a ton of money and you can't afford to sit a hot prospect. If you crush his confidence early, you may lose a Pro Bowler before he blossoms. Even the rules for a practice squad prohibit movement up and down similar to the NHL or MLB (although they have their own issues there). We should trust the one coach who we literally worshipped 20 years ago. He's done nothing except build champions everywhere he's been.

sportscurmudgeon 10-03-2005 04:44 PM

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Matty:

Actually, you can't let all the "Warpathers" off the hook so easily. Remember after Week 1 when we had threads devoted to how the players could not possibly ever trust Joe Gibbs again.

Leaping to conclusions affects lots of people - - and not all of them are on TV or write for newspapers or for Internet sites...

SKINSnCANES 10-03-2005 06:05 PM

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Matty:

Actually, you can't let all the "Warpathers" off the hook so easily. Remember after Week 1 when we had threads devoted to how the players could not possibly ever trust Joe Gibbs again.

Leaping to conclusions affects lots of people - - and not all of them are on TV or write for newspapers or for Internet sites...[/QUOTE]


good point.

celts32 10-03-2005 08:32 PM

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Matty:

Actually, you can't let all the "Warpathers" off the hook so easily. Remember after Week 1 when we had threads devoted to how the players could not possibly ever trust Joe Gibbs again.

Leaping to conclusions affects lots of people - - and not all of them are on TV or write for newspapers or for Internet sites...[/QUOTE]

absolutely

EternalEnigma21 10-03-2005 08:49 PM

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Matty:

Actually, you can't let all the "Warpathers" off the hook so easily. Remember after Week 1 when we had threads devoted to how the players could not possibly ever trust Joe Gibbs again.

Leaping to conclusions affects lots of people - - and not all of them are on TV or write for newspapers or for Internet sites...[/QUOTE]

As I recall there was only a [b][i]minority[/i][/b] of people that said Gibbs shouldn't be trusted. I for one said that only Ramsey shouldn't trust him, and if I were Ramsey, I wouldn't even if we went to the SB for the next 4 years.

But leave it to you to point that out and call for people's heads.

Thanks for keeping it friendly buddy!!:biggthump

skinsguy 10-03-2005 08:59 PM

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]As I recall there was only a [b][i]minority[/i][/b] of people that said Gibbs shouldn't be trusted. I for one said that only Ramsey shouldn't trust him, and if I were Ramsey, I wouldn't even if we went to the SB for the next 4 years.

But leave it to you to point that out and call for people's heads.

Thanks for keeping it friendly buddy!!:biggthump[/QUOTE]


Yeah, but did SC actually say there was a majority of warpathers that didn't trust Gibbs? I didn't see that in his post, and for the most part, you probably agree with him in saying that there certainly are a few that didn't trust Gibbs and may still not. Overall, I believe what SC said was quite accurate.

I'm not really getting into the Ramsey thing and right now don't really care....we're winning..that's all that matters. :biggthump

EternalEnigma21 10-03-2005 09:14 PM

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Sorry I just don't get all the "don't let all the "warpathers" off the hook" crap. God forbid someone question something, or answer a poll honestly based on their gut feeling. Right or Wrong, everyone here has opinions, and its all the winey "lets rub it in some faces" and "demand apologies" B.S. that really gets my blood boiling, no matter who's "right".

I mean, let em off the hook? What is Matty gonna make people do pushups?? lol

Anyway I just don't like condesention. Everytime someone talks to me with a raised eyebrow they immediately lose my trust and respect.

SmootSmack 10-03-2005 09:20 PM

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Sorry I just don't get all the "don't let all the "warpathers" off the hook" crap. God forbid someone question something, or answer a poll honestly based on their gut feeling. Right or Wrong, everyone here has opinions, and its all the winey "lets rub it in some faces" and "demand apologies" B.S. that really gets my blood boiling, no matter who's "right".

I mean, let em off the hook? What is Matty gonna make people do pushups?? lol

Anyway I just don't like condesention. Everytime someone talks to me with a raised eyebrow they immediately lose my trust and respect.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, if there is any "where's my apology" like last time on this thread it will be locked instantly. No questions asked. I may not agree with your opinions all the time but I'm not going to ask for an apology from you and you shouldn't ever ask for one from me-not when it comes to opinions. And that applies to everybody

TheMalcolmConnection 10-03-2005 09:32 PM

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Sorry I just don't get all the "don't let all the "warpathers" off the hook" crap. God forbid someone question something, or answer a poll honestly based on their gut feeling. Right or Wrong, everyone here has opinions, and its all the winey "lets rub it in some faces" and "demand apologies" B.S. that really gets my blood boiling, no matter who's "right".

I mean, let em off the hook? What is Matty gonna make people do pushups?? lol

Anyway I just don't like condesention. Everytime someone talks to me with a raised eyebrow they immediately lose my trust and respect.[/QUOTE]

Then you better not talk to The Rock. ;)

Seriously though, it's all about being the bigger man. It's for trolls that come here and for our members. I would think that all it takes is just not fueling the fire. If you're personally attacked, people will notice that and won't respect the attacker as much. You should know that we, of all people, pay attention.

skinsguy 10-03-2005 09:32 PM

Re: Bradshaw eating some crow
 
[QUOTE=canthetuna]Sorry I just don't get all the "don't let all the "warpathers" off the hook" crap. God forbid someone question something, or answer a poll honestly based on their gut feeling. Right or Wrong, everyone here has opinions, and its all the winey "lets rub it in some faces" and "demand apologies" B.S. that really gets my blood boiling, no matter who's "right".

I mean, let em off the hook? What is Matty gonna make people do pushups?? lol

Anyway I just don't like condesention. Everytime someone talks to me with a raised eyebrow they immediately lose my trust and respect.[/QUOTE]


LOL! I don't want to even think about push-ups after my workout... :laughing-
I hear what you're saying. There's been plenty of whine on both sides of the fence, however. It's one thing to speak your mind...believe me, I do my share...but I think 90% of us realized that this Ramsey/Brunell feud was/is drugged out way past the point of being interesting. Basically, people have ran the issue into the ground until it's become down right silly to even discuss.

I mean, myself personally, I am glad Brunell is in there playing quite well, and if it was Ramsey playing and playing well, I'd be supporting him. It's just the "What Would Ramsey Do?" thing that gets me! The way I see it, we're undefeated and heading into the fifth week of the season. Everything is starting slowly to click on offense...but the most important thing is we're winning! I don't care what Ramsey would have done.....what we're doing now is obviously working. If it suddenly stops working, I'm sure the coaches will do what is necessary to get it working again - if that means putting Ramsey in or even Campbell fine!

I think all in all, it's the over analysis of things that make some of us wonder if Redskins football is something some of the warpathers take too seriously? Don't get me wrong, I hurt when the Redskins lose....I have burgundy and gold running through my veins, but at the sametime, I try not to tear apart every single play or player I might not care too much for, for the sake of argument. I'd rather sit back and enjoy watching the Redskins play football...and close football games make it all the more exciting to me! :)

rickmmrr 10-03-2005 09:33 PM

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Nice article. Thanks

Daseal 10-03-2005 09:34 PM

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I personally like Bradshaw -- he's HONEST in his opinions, he kinda goofy (which is funny). Personally I much prefer the Fox guys having fun (not to mention JB is a skins fan) than the ESPN guys like Steve Young that need help getting a stick out of their ass. They may as well rename the ESPN pre-game the West Coast offense.

BigSKINBauer 10-03-2005 09:41 PM

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Hail to the Redskins!
Hail Victory!
Braves on the Warpath!
Fight for old D.C.!
Run or pass and score -- we want a lot more!
Beat 'em, Swamp 'em,
Touchdown! -- Let the points soar!
Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won
Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!
Hail to the Redskins!
Hail Victory!
Braves on the Warpath!
Fight for old D.C.!


Guess what bitches we are 3-0!!!
TB has always made me laugh but it is nice to see someone actually can take back what they say. Its just that i hate the media when they turn on a team quickly, or jumps on the bandwaggon. We all here are redskins fans, regardless of what we think, i can honestly say i don't feel bad when any of us say stuff about the redskins, good or bad. However when the media says something bad i get more upset and i just can't stand the media all ready to jump on our bandwagon. I don't claim to be completely sain because i get mad when we don't get the "respect" we deserve. this is why i like TB's appology because he doesn't just dismiss the past, he addresses what he said then comes to a new conclusion

coggs 10-04-2005 10:27 AM

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some advice to all: use bradshaw more as a source of entertainment than anything else. He is A LOT less annoying that way.

MTK 10-04-2005 11:27 AM

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[QUOTE=coggs]some advice to all: use bradshaw more as a source of entertainment than anything else. He is A LOT less annoying that way.[/QUOTE]

I'd apply that advice to the entire Fox studio crew.

dblanch66 10-04-2005 11:37 AM

Re: Bradshaw eating some crow
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I really like the point he makes about how nobody has any patience anymore.

It's so true, just look at all the idiots calling for Gibbs' head halfway through last season. Some people wrote off Joe Gibbs off before even giving him a real chance. He went from hero to zero in 8 games, and based on that he was given absolutely no chance this year as these unsubstantiated rumors kept flying how he would quit if the Skins struggled again this year.

The media as a whole really has their collective heads up their asses sometimes. And it's so fun to see them proven wrong, especially when we knew what the real story was here.[/QUOTE]
Those who said Gibbs would quit display their ignorance about him. Anyone who knows anything about Joe, knows that that is not his nature. He will be here until a title is won and then turn over the kingdom to G. Williams.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 10-04-2005 12:42 PM

Re: Bradshaw eating some crow
 
[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Matty:

Actually, you can't let all the "Warpathers" off the hook so easily. Remember after Week 1 when we had threads devoted to how the players could not possibly ever trust Joe Gibbs again.

Leaping to conclusions affects lots of people - - and not all of them are on TV or write for newspapers or for Internet sites...[/QUOTE]

Here we go again.

FYI, there is a tendency to lump many of us who bashed Gibbs' decision to bench Ramsey with those who called Gibbs an idiot. I disagreed with his decision (while recognizing that he knows a hell of a lot more about football than I do) but I also admitted that I could be wrong. I didn't like how Gibbs went back on his word by proclaiming Ramsey the starter for 05' and yanking him after less than one game.

It will be perfectly appropriate to rub my nose in it (I'll be very happy to eat crow) if, at season's end (or even by Week 8) we did very well (8-8). It's still a tad early.

skinsfan0201 10-04-2005 09:29 PM

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I really don't dislike Bradshaw or Jimmy Johnson, but I personally do not put much stock in their opinions unless have heard the opinion expressed by other more credible sources many times before. Therefore, for him to be eating crow is not a huge realization. Just my two cents.....

SUNRA 10-04-2005 09:47 PM

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Well said,
Within this website is an amazing amount of debate over what is an obsession for us all. Our beloved SKINS. We can take any position on any issue. Regardless of which side of the fence you are on, like it or don't. Old man GIbbs has built us a competative FOOTBALL team. They will ONLY get better..............fast. ENJOY[/QUOTE]

I think the Washington Redskins fans have been very patient and optimistic throughout the years even when we had no promising players. Time is on our side. We have weathered the storm of defeat. Now let's start seeing beyond the surprise and glee of winning 3-0 and seriously begin to see us as a legitimate contender for the NFC East Division.


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