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Man, did you see the stats for the Pats-Saints game.

Brady was only 6 for 11, no TDs, and an Int.

Flutie was 3 for 4(75%), 1 TD, and no Ints.

It's clear. Brady blows. They should start Flutie.


PS - Yes, I'm being an ass!

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LOL!! :headbange

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Awww
Quit babying Ramsey it's ridiculous Joe Gibbs is a football coach not a baby sitter...

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ONE GAME, i mean i was upset after the scrimmage and the preseason game but cmon to call him a baby and such is silly. We need to fall in the middle, no one is gonna tell me we have NOTHING to worry about and NO ONE is gonna tell me we have EVERYTHING to worry about.
MY opinion
the reason we don't critize Mcnabb and Brady is because they are proven[i][u][b] and for this thread in particular Brady is gonna be in the HOF and that is why it is different.[/b][/u][/i]

We are not babing the person who played 5 good games at the end of the year. No way that we just throw brunnel back in just so quickly, this is really surprising me, cmon i know it is fun to talk about it but really this is PR's last chance and if he is taken out he is gone and next year it is Brunnel and Campbell with no draft pick. I can't believe some people are ready to take out Ramsey, i respect the opinion but i just can't believe it. One interception. YES it was a horrible interception but had he made that pass(that he says slipped off his hand) we would be happy because he would be in the upper 90 yards, and 9/12

On the flip side ramsey has had time and he has had the comfort of being "the guy" now. there is NO excuse if he isn't able to preform this year, even if it is shell shock and it isn't his fault, tough cookies to bad for ramsey, he better break out of the shell shockness or he will continue to play bad, He better preform tonight or the boards will be on fire with ramsey hatred, i hope for his good name that he gets a TD drive with no INTs

Now my opinion, ramsey didn't play good last week or the scrimmage for that matter but it was one game with no running but he only threw short passes. now Ramsey just looked funny, it was wierd, and we all critize it as being uncomfortable, he said he was comfortable but he will need to show it tonight. If he does preform like last week i won't go crazy because 8/12 with a running game and a good defense is a playoff team, but if he throws 2 ints or so with no TD drive i will be upset, but still i am not ready to throw brunnel into the mix

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Bah - no ruining a good tounge-in-cheek thread with seriousness.

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[QUOTE=Kope]Bah - no ruining a good tounge-in-cheek thread with seriousness.[/QUOTE]
Amen to that!

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It just seems like on this site you can't criticize Ramsey AT ALL. He looks jittery which is inexcuseable at this point in his so called development. He had his chances and intercepted them away. I am sick of it. He is my QB and I love him but I am at the point now where there is no more excuses. for example Ramsey throws a pick and on this site eveyone blames 50/50. Or he throws inaccurate passes and everyone blames the o-line. No QB in the NFL has all day in the pocket its just that some have the knack and some dont. He is not a rookie anymore and should not be judged as one his chances have run out. He looked like a rookie the first preseason game the intangibles man the intangibles and his accuracy is way off. We need to let this Spurrier project go to South Carolina with his daddy. Other teams would ahve been let him go. time to move on. we are lucky if we make a third down its crazy.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]It just seems like on this site you can't criticize Ramsey AT ALL. [/QUOTE]

You're kidding, right?

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]It just seems like on this site you can't criticize Ramsey AT ALL. He looks jittery which is inexcuseable at this point in his so called development. He had his chances and intercepted them away. I am sick of it. He is my QB and I love him but I am at the point now where there is no more excuses. for example Ramsey throws a pick and on this site eveyone blames 50/50. Or he throws inaccurate passes and everyone blames the o-line. No QB in the NFL has all day in the pocket its just that some have the knack and some dont. He is not a rookie anymore and should not be judged as one his chances have run out. He looked like a rookie the first preseason game the intangibles man the intangibles and his accuracy is way off. We need to let this Spurrier project go to South Carolina with his daddy. Other teams would ahve been let him go. time to move on. we are lucky if we make a third down its crazy.[/QUOTE]

I'm the first to say PR has some work to do. But I would still take him over a majority of the QBs starting for their team this year and the regular season will prove me right. No, I'm not a Ramsey defender but let's face he 'aint Dan Marino and will never be that type of passer. He'll be a very good solid starting pro Qb throughout his career.

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well i am getting carreid away but i am just frustrated man the offense looks like its ready to explode just need a few good passes. I know he took alot of punishment before...

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we just need basics like man open, completion, first down. I think Spurrier coached him up too much.. He thinks too much

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joethiesmanfan,

There are more than a few Ramsey fans on this site. It's probably to be expected that a good portion of Redskins fans would be "enamored" with the Redskins starting quarterback. But rather than bore you with obvious factiods like that, I'll bore you with statistics.

His rating for the season last year was 74.8, but if you factor out the disasterous relief appearance in week 2, that bumps up to a more respectable 79.9. As a starter last year, his rating was 82.6 (week 11 on). Those are decent numbers when one considers that he didn't practice with the starters for over half the season, and it wasn't exactly an offense geared toward gaudy passing numbers.

The question shouldn't be "What can Ramsey do to gain the team's trust?", but rather "What did he do to lose it?".

By the way, it's spelled "Theismann".

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His numbers looked good but I still felt like we were lucky to get a first down and I don't think anything was wrong with coach Gibbs offense.

p.s.
you say theimato i say thiemato

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[QUOTE]His numbers looked good but I still felt like we were lucky to get a first down and I don't think anything was wrong with coach Gibbs offense.[/QUOTE]

Think the first down thing might be why we now have new recievers? If PR plays like he did last year we will win 10 games. If he plays a little bit better we will win the division.

I think what will be apparent by game 4 of the regular season is how much better we are as a team, across the board.

Most important thing about PR is the team believs in him.

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well if the team believes in him i do I will be the first one to jump on his wagon. I was so happy when he took over for brunnell last year.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]

By the way, it's spelled "Theismann".[/QUOTE]

lol, I almost said it, but I held back.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]p.s.
you say theimato i say thiemato[/QUOTE]
Well played.

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Well it's not like I am a Norman Einstein or something

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer][i][/i]
We are not babing the person who played 5 good games at the end of the year. No way that we just throw brunnel back in just so quickly, this is really surprising me, cmon i know it is fun to talk about it but really this is PR's last chance and if he is taken out he is gone and next year it is Brunnel and Campbell with no draft pick. I can't believe some people are ready to take out Ramsey, i respect the opinion but i just can't believe it. One interception. YES it was a horrible interception but had he made that pass(that he says slipped off his hand) we would be happy because he would be in the upper 90 yards, and 9/12

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This is a good point. Regardless of how "happy" his feet looked, would we even be HAVING this discussion if he would have completed that bomb to Moss? My guess is all would have been forgiven, as all will be forgiven tonight if he throws one touchdown pass or leads one touchdown drive.

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Obviously, I like Ramsey. He's a character guy with a solid work ethic. Moreover, he's got all the "tangibles" to make it in this league. What he needs to work on are the "intangibles."

The "intangibles" are developed through experience - something he hasn't been given yet. Ramsey has started 23 games. The other two first round QBs from 2002 have more experience (Harrington and Carr have both started over 43 games) and have worse stats than Ramsey. I would just like to see the Redskins front office and fans give Ramsey the same shot those other QBs have gotten.

Do I think he'll be a Hall of Famer? No, I highly doubt it. But I think he's got what it takes to be a very successful QB. Troy Aikman talked about Ramsey last night during the Patriots-Saints game. Troy said he thinks Ramsey has what it takes to be a very good quarterback, but the constant turnover in D.C. has inhibited his growth. I agree.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]I don't think anything was wrong with coach Gibbs offense.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone has taken that position since week 8 of last season. Sure the execution was bad, but I think everyone (including Gibbs) believes that his offense needed to change.

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it really chaps my arse that a cowroid QB is a better broadcaster than a redskins QB :(

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I'm tired of defending Ramsey, but I'm more tired of people thinking that playing musical chairs at QB is a good thing.

We booed Brunell to the bench last year, and now we're doing the same thing to Ramsey in the [i]preseason[/i]. I mean c'mon, it's really ridiculous. What happens if Brunell starts and has a bad game, hell just a bad series... do the boos cascade down from the stands and then Campbell gets a shot? Then what when the rookie inevitably struggles, back to Ramsey?

I'm going to defer to this [url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=7352"]article[/url] all week, I think it really puts things in perspective.

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I loved that article, Matty. If you havent read it yet, read it now.

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[QUOTE]We booed Brunell to the bench last year, and now we're doing the same thing to Ramsey in the preseason. I mean c'mon, it's really ridiculous. What happens if Brunell starts and has a bad game, hell just a bad series... do the boos cascade down from the stands and then Campbell gets a shot? Then what when the rookie inevitably struggles, back to Ramsey[/QUOTE]

Absolutly agree, and in addition most everyone went into the season saying "whew glad we got Brunell 'cause Ramsey stunk the joint up in preseason"

Brunell graduated to the pre-season and threw for less than 100 yards in 5 of 9 starts.

[QUOTE]I'm going to defer to this article all week, I think it really puts things in perspective.[/QUOTE]

Yes it does brother. What it says to me is: Let's have some class and not act like Philly fans. We used to have a great rep as fans; lets make sure we don't ruin it.

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alright!..