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According to Dr. Z -

"Say what you want about the Cowboys' Jerry Jones, but wouldn't you want to have a guy like him in your corner? During the offseason he left an owners' meeting early to fly east for a late contract negotiation with former Jets nose tackle Jason Ferguson. The Jets offered Ferguson $8 million in front and it was almost a done deal before Jones swung it by coming in at $9 million.

He's 30 and he's had weight problems through the years (that's Ferguson, not Jones), but he's the one guy Bill Parcells felt he had to have to make his new 3-4 defense work. So Jones gave the guy the VIP treatment. We're not talking about a glamour position here; we're talking about an owner-nose tackle sitdown. Contrast this, please, with a character such as Dan Snyder, whose team keeps drafting quarterbacks because he likes, as he's said, "sexy" picks."


Jerry Jones gives an older vet first class treatment to get him signed w/ a big old signing bonus and somehow its f***ing brilliant, but, when Danny Boy does it, its just mindless showboating.

I am sure Gibbs had NOTHING to do with the Campbell pick - you know the owner just flaking out again. Also, didnt Z crucify LDS and gang when they signed Springs??

It's one thing to say "Well they've sucked for a while, so they got to show me something before I'll acknowledge that they have turned things around."

It's another for Z to praise one owner (Jerry freaking Jones - of all people) for conduct (paying big bucks and giving first class treatment to ensure the signing of an older veteran player) almost identical to Snyder's conduct (Can anyone say "Redskins One"??) for which he only had scorn (hmmm - Randy Thomas anyone?) AND then to throw in a gratuitous dig for conduct (trading up to draft a player THE COACHES wanted) unrelated to the conduct he found praiseworthy in Jones. Hell, if anything - the Campbell pick shows how supportive of Gibbs Danny is. Remember, Ramsey was originally an ALL Snyder pick! AND - wasn't Snyder's "I like sexy picks" made a couple years ago and not even related to the Skins picking Campbell ??

God, these guys just piss me off.

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Dr.Z is an ass! :vomit-smi :dallas:

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Dr. Z and Peter King both simply hate the Redskins and everything they do.

Then again, until the Dan Snyder-"sexy" draft picks and free agent meetings generate some wins, we can expect more of this.

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Screw it, doesn't change a thing. We are the only people that believe in US, We are the dedicated, We are the strong, We will stick this shit in these people's faces the day WE win. So much bull shit when two teams have the same f#!@$#!$ record that the damn media still gives preference to one f#$! !@$ team. IF the stinking cow f#$@! had won the superbowl peter king and his boy toy dr. Z and everyone else at SI would have a point but they didn't they actually got worse and at this pace they will win 2 next year and we got better and we will continue to do better.
SKREW EM'

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I dont mind when people are critical of the Redskins. I dont mind when they are REALLY critical about the Redskins. But, when they are hypocritical about the Redskins, it really, really pisses me off.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]It's another for Z to praise one owner (Jerry freaking Jones - of all people) for conduct (paying big bucks and giving first class treatment to ensure the signing of an older veteran player) almost identical to Snyder's conduct (Can anyone say "Redskins One"??) for which he only had scorn (hmmm - Randy Thomas anyone?) AND then to throw in a gratuitous dig for conduct (trading up to draft a player THE COACHES wanted) unrelated to the conduct he found praiseworthy in Jones.[/QUOTE]

Thats a hell of a sentance there. It's longer than most of my paragraphs lol. I wonder what a diagram of that sentance would look like...


Seriously though, you are right, but the only reason It pisses me off because he's finding something fairly trivial to write about, but still manages to glorify "america's team" and demean the skins. F'em.

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Taking Dr. Z seriously, or just about anything SI writes anymore, is just plain silly. The man knows less about football than my lizard. My guess is that he used to write an entertainment column, but got fired because he wasn't very entertaining. It's a waste of time to read him. Peter King, on the other hand, is a pretty knowledgeable guy. He just does not like Dan Snyder. Take him with a grain of salt, and count on the team to make him eat his words this year.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Thats a hell of a sentance there. It's longer than most of my paragraphs lol. I wonder what a diagram of that sentance would look like...[/QUOTE]

Simple - it would look exactly like a diagram of the answer to Question 3.

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Anyone get the same annoyance from the Vikes this year? Everyone says they are going to be great because they brought in a bunch of free agents.

I just kept thinking how much we would have been lambasted for it; (It was nice not to have to so that this year for once!)

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see even the viks won a game in the playoffs but i completly understand that they are doing what we have been critized for but the cowF#@s had the same record as us and most of the media feels they are much better for some reason, atleast the people at SI feel that way

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]see even the viks won a game in the playoffs but i completly understand that they are doing what we have been critized for but the cowF#@s had the same record as us and most of the media feels they are much better for some reason, atleast the people at SI feel that way[/QUOTE]
It's that "Parcells glow" - that's the only explanation.

The 2004 Cowboys lost 10 games. Seven of those games were by 14 points or more.

The 2004 Redskins lost 10 games. Seven of those games were by 7 points or less.

That's an indicator of something.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]It's that "Parcells glow" - that's the only explanation.

The 2004 Cowboys lost 10 games. Seven of those games were by 14 points or more.

The 2004 Redskins lost 10 games. Seven of those games were by 7 points or less.

That's an indicator of something.[/QUOTE]
Great point Brudlee. I wish someone in the national media could figure that one out. :dallas:

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OK I usually don't agree with Dr. Z and I really don't like peter King but I do like the Ferguson pick this year. Now your critizising the same writers that predicted last year that your team will reach the playoff just because they sign Gibbs and thought it would have the same effect Parcell had with D'Boyz hey even Snyder thought so otherwise he wouldn't had brought him in the first place.

Second those where the same guys who praised and declared the Portis deal as the best deal the skins have made and I do believe Portis was an excellent pick, and critizise the brunell pick not so much because of brunell but because of the amount of money they payed him. Wich we can agree is a lot for a BACKUP and posible in a future, a 3rd QB. We all know brunell will be gone at season ends if not earlier, that's money going to the toilet.

And again this are the same media guys who praised every year the free agent moves that Snyder did Sanders, B.Smith and on and on........ and said "this is the year that the Redskins are going to the playoff" and even sometimes said they were going to the superball some of them. Sorry if they changed their mind and they're are a little skeptical about Snyder and the Skins but can you blame them, they have to prove something first.

Now they're only saying that Finally Jones spend some money remember this is the same owner that last year with cap space and in need of a cb didn't went for 1 or drafted 1 because they thought a 4th rounder who isn't on the team anymore was a capable starter.

They're only saying that he finally went for the players he wanted and didn't wanted to get the cheap 1 or the leftovers wich was the strategy years before, hey we didn't pick Berry last year because he cost 2 mill more of a signing bonus than Wiley and we all know how that turn out. Now can this all backfire YES it can; Ferguson, Rivera, Henry and Bledsoe can all suck at the end but did the Boy'z did a good move of going for the players they wanted they did hey Bledsoe came cheap if he doesn't turn out right it won't hurt me as much as the Brunell deal.

Now I still don't get the Campbell draft trade you could have get him in the second round or maybe move a little closer in the second round didn't had to go to the first round 2 get him becasue after the trade that was before the draft everyone new they did it to get campbell and still no team tryed to move infront of you in the draft to get him.

That tells me nobody thought he was worth that high, hey even rodgers wen't untill the 24th spot 1 before campbell.

I'm not critizising the pick I do believe campbell its better than Rodgers (way overated) but I believe you pay to much for him.

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I think the Campbell pick, while I like the guy, was a bad decesion. I personally don't like a coach playing the role of GM no matter who it is. I think coaches need to concentrate on player motivation and gameplanning, not contracts and scouting. Anyhow, I think Gibbs is still stuck in the era where you can sit a young QB on the bench and let him learn. However, money in today's NFL rarely allows for that. Unfortunately, Brunell and Gibbs are butt-buddies so I don't know if he'll cut him after this year or not. It seems like I could suit up every Sunday as long as I go to church with the right people...

Campbell is in DC to be the quarterback of the future. Unfortunately, it comes at the price of running Ramsey out of town. I have a feeling the next couple years are for Ramsey to up his trade value for his next contract. I like Campbell as a QB. He's mobile enough for defenses to plan for it, but he has an okay arm with good touch. Ramsey still hasn't been given a legitimate shot in Gibbs system and I truley question if he will ever get that shot. I don't know why Gibbs hates him so, but the way he was handcuffed last year made me livid. I really hope that Gibbs opens up that playbook, which looked updated in pre-season game 1 (thank god!) and really let Ramsey use his natural skills instead of trying to hammer the circle peg into the square hole.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I dont mind when people are critical of the Redskins. I dont mind when they are REALLY critical about the Redskins. But, when they are hypocritical about the Redskins, it really, really pisses me off.[/QUOTE]


Hopefully we don't find any of the hypocrites in here. We might have to ban them. By the way, who left the door open to let DaBoyz in? Note #1. to Daboyz: it's spelled c o w r o i d s or c o w g i r l z. Note # 2, can you please edit your posts prior to submittal, so we do not need the polish/coocamunga/english translator in order to read your post? It only furthers the idea that c o w r o i d s are i l l i t e r a t e (can't read or write!). Note # 3, I spelled your rightly assigned acronym slowly so you could understand it easier! Note #4, can you please add last names of c o w r o i d players, since we do not visit their open holed stadium (read toilet bowl) but once a year, and they, likewise only one time per year to our place?

:dallas:

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[QUOTE=Daseal] It seems like I could suit up every Sunday as long as I go to church with the right people...[/QUOTE]


Damn man....you really have something against Gibbs don't you?

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No, Redskins_P. I have nothing against him besides the fact that I can't find any other reason why Brunell played as long as he did.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]No, Redskins_P. I have nothing against him besides the fact that I can't find any other reason why Brunell played as long as he did.[/QUOTE]


Well in all fairness, Gibbs has always stuck by his starters till the bitter end. He did the same thing with Jay Schroeder.

Yes he made a mistake in keeping Brunell for so long, but at the same time I think he wanted to show Brunell his loyalty by keeping him for as long as possible. Now, if he does the same with Ramsey.....lets say he pulls Ramsey after week 5 and we have a losing record, will your opinion change? What I'm trying to say is....I believe Gibbs will stick with Ramsey as long as possible....just like he did with Brunell. I certainly believe that Ramsey will be given his fair shot.

It has nothing to do with religion or being "butt-buddies" as you put it.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Now I still don't get the Campbell draft trade you could have get him in the second round or maybe move a little closer in the second round didn't had to go to the first round 2 get him becasue after the trade that was before the draft everyone new they did it to get campbell and still no team tryed to move infront of you in the draft to get him.[/QUOTE]

We didn't have a second round pick. Our next wasn't until the fourth round, and Campbell would have been long gone. As far as no other team trying to snatch him up before the #25 pick, you'd have to say that there was a team within that section of the draft that needed a QB.

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Backrow I'm not going to get into an argument of so small value other that saying those are the LAST NAMES of the player and even owners so you can looked them up. Other than that it's just dumb trash talk.

Daseal I liked your points but I have to agree with Redskins_P, Gibbs is old school like Parcell and he plays the guy he thinks will give him the best shot to win and he thought Brunell was that guy.

I believed that he based his Ramsey jugment on tapes and lack of game expirience and remmember Brunell was a high priced signed player you can't give that high contract and bonus and bench the guy on the 3rd game.

I believe he did it when he acknowledge things weren't going to change.


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About the campbell trade :

[b]Redskins Get[/b]
1st round, No. 25: [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/campbell_jason"][color=#001a79]Jason Campbell, QB[/color][/url], Auburn

[b]Broncos Get[/b]
3rd round, No. 76: [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/paymah_karl"][color=#001a79]Karl Paymah, CB[/color][/url], Washington State
1st and 4th round in 2006

Don't you think you could have payed less to move into early or mids second round and not have to sell the farm?? is he really worth a 3rd, a 1st and 4th round??

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heh D'Boyz, i commend you sticking it out here. you're totally right about these "journalists", if you don't mind the constant flack you'll get, stick around.

Hee hee, Toilet Bowl. anyone else love how the only times our teams wear Darks is when we're forced to play at each other's home fields? is there any other rivalry in the NFL like that?

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[QUOTE=illdefined]anyone else love how the only times our teams wear Darks is when we're forced to play at each other's home fields? is there any other rivalry in the NFL like that?[/QUOTE]

I heard that last year on the Monday Night game from Stuart Scott on ESPN. He apparently thought the only reason the Skins wore white jerseys was because Dallas likes their white jerseys. Actually, the Cowboys and Skins are two of the rare teams that wear white at home no matter who the visiting opponent is -- most every other team uses the primary color jersey at home. Which sucks, I actually prefer the Burgundy jerseys/white pants. I know that Marty Schottenheimer changed that tradition when he coached here. He said the Burgundy uniforms looked more imposing. That was the last time you'll ever see the Cowboys in their white jerseys at Washington.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I heard that last year on the Monday Night game from Stuart Scott on ESPN. He apparently thought the only reason the Skins wore white jerseys was because Dallas likes their white jerseys. Actually, the Cowboys and Skins are two of the rare teams that wear white at home no matter who the visiting opponent is -- most every other team uses the primary color jersey at home. Which sucks, I actually prefer the Burgundy jerseys/white pants. I know that Marty Schottenheimer changed that tradition when he coached here. He said the Burgundy uniforms looked more imposing. That was the last time you'll ever see the Cowboys in their white jerseys at Washington.[/QUOTE]

not to get too sentimental, but i remember my football cards growing up, every time the players were in Darks was with the puke green turf of Dallas in the background.

I love how our two teams do that, makes it that much more special when we face off, only time it happens.

Marty screwed it up for us though, because in Madden, I have to switch to Away uniforms whenever i play a home game. of course they know Dallas keeps THEIR whites at home....i @#$% hate EA.

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What's weird is that the Cowboys home pants are sort of puke green too, if you look really hard. With the blue jerseys, the pants are more silver.

If I had my way, we'd ditch the burgundy pants and go white jerseys/white pants at away games, and burgandy jerseys/white pants at home -- except when the Cowboys are in town ... then, we'd go with the traditional white jerseys/burgundy pants -- but only for that game, you know, just to piss them off! Because from what I've heard, it is purely superstitious for Dallas -- they honestly feel they play better in their white jerseys.

Recently however, it doesn't matter what jerseys they play us in, they play better and we lose.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Backrow I'm not going to get into an argument of so small value other that saying those are the LAST NAMES of the player and even owners so you can looked them up. Other than that it's just dumb trash talk.

Daseal I liked your points but I have to agree with Redskins_P, Gibbs is old school like Parcell and he plays the guy he thinks will give him the best shot to win and he thought Brunell was that guy.

I believed that he based his Ramsey jugment on tapes and lack of game expirience and remmember Brunell was a high priced signed player you can't give that high contract and bonus and bench the guy on the 3rd game.

I believe he did it when he acknowledge things weren't going to change.


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About the campbell trade :

[b]Redskins Get[/b]
1st round, No. 25: [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/campbell_jason"][color=#001a79]Jason Campbell, QB[/color][/url], Auburn

[b]Broncos Get[/b]
3rd round, No. 76: [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/paymah_karl"][color=#001a79]Karl Paymah, CB[/color][/url], Washington State
1st and 4th round in 2006

Don't you think you could have payed less to move into early or mids second round and not have to sell the farm?? is he really worth a 3rd, a 1st and 4th round??

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we wont know till he plays a couple years... if he plays like mcnabb after starting a couple years, then yes, yes it was.

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[quote]If I had my way, we'd ditch the burgundy pants and go white jerseys/white pants at away games, and burgandy jerseys/white pants at home -- except when the Cowboys are in town ... then, we'd go with the traditional white jerseys/burgundy pants -- but only for that game, you know, just to piss them off! Because from what I've heard, it is purely superstitious for Dallas -- they honestly feel they play better in their white jerseys.[/quote]
If I had my way we'd go yellow pants, yellow jersey's, yellow helmets with a splash of Red here and a dash of white there!

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]It's that "Parcells glow" - that's the only explanation.

The 2004 Cowboys lost 10 games. Seven of those games were by 14 points or more.

The 2004 Redskins lost 10 games. Seven of those games were by 7 points or less.

That's an indicator of something.[/QUOTE]

Yup..the best thing that could have happened--no more smoke and mirrors

Henry
Ferguson
Ware
Spears
Burnett
Canty

Heck, maybe Lavar Arrington could do us a favor and knock out Bledsoe so offense could take off..

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Dr. Z is a highly respected NFL journalist and analyst. He will most probably wind up in the NFL HoF as a writer. The chances that Danny Boy will make it there as an owner are far - far - slimmer.

If you want to say how brilliant Danny Boy was in signing Randy Thomas, you also have to wonder how the rest of the "Jetskins" signings turned out. Remember, all of them were part of his whirlwind activities in that giddy but ill-fated off-season. Two of the four signees are gone - having contributed marginally to Redskins' successes if at all - and the other one is still here but is hardly the greatest thing since sliced bread. Thomas is a starting OL and a good one. Hey, one out of four is better than zero out of four!

Now, is the signing of Jason Ferguson a critically important thing for the Cowboys? In the grand scheme the answer is NO. Ferguson is a better than average DL who fills a need for the Cowboys if they have any hope of installing an effective 3-4 defense. But that's all there is to that. He is not the missing piece to the puzzle that will win the Cowboys the Super Bowl.

In terms of "sexy picks/signings", it seems to me that the Skins have taken Ramsey in the first round and signed Brunell in the free agent market and then traded a passel of picks to be able to draft Campbell in the first round. All of this has been is "recent memory". So, let's not excoriate Dr. Z for noticing what has been the reality of the Skins' roster moves over the past few years. Reality may not always be pretty; in fact, sometimes Reality Bites!

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Curmudgeon, the problem I have (and I believe JoeRedskin and others as well) is that Dr. Z is saying "wow, what a great owner Jerry Jones is, stepping in to close the deal on a free agent and upping the offer to make sure the Cowboys get the guy"

Snyder does that as well, but when he does then all of a sudden he's just a meddlesome owner who doesn't know football.

Sort of hypocritical I think

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I think Jerry Jones is at least as meddlesome as Danny Boy - and probably even more. Remember, Jerry Jones fired a Super Bowl winning coach in some kind of ego-battle. Danny Boy hasn't done that - - yet.

You can criticize Dr. Z for praising Jones for doing something that is probably marginal for the Cowboys in the near and distant future here such as signing Jason Fewrguson. But to say that this praise for Jones is horendously unfair to Danny Boy because of the "Jetskins" signings is a bit myopic. [I'm trying to be polite here so grant me the use of that adjective, please.]

Criticism of the Redskins and/or their roster moves and/or the decisions of the Redskins' Front Office is NOT incontrovertible evidence that the accuser is ignorant, biased or even misinformed. The record is what it is:


Danny Boy bought the team and before he had the chance to demonstrate his football and management acumen, the team made the playoffs and came within one score of going to the NFC Championship game. Since then, under his leadership, the Skins have not had a winning season - let alone a playoff appearance.


Dr. Z didn't cause that track record of ownership success to happen. Neither did Len Pasquerelli or Sally Jenkins or any other sportswriter who might be critical of what the Redskins have done. I've taken a lot of shots at Danny Boy over the last five years for some really shortsighted and boneheaded moves. So far, he's been wrong for making the moves far more frequently than I've been wrong in saying the moves were stupid. But I didn't make the moves stupid by saying I thought they were wrong. That's the problem with the Warpathers who fulminate at any hint of specific criticism of the Redskins and their "strategic direction" by members of the press.

Danny Boy is a genius at making money; no one with a shred of intellect could deny that without holding crossed fingers behind their back. Maybe the best thing that could happen to the Redskins is for Danny Boy to become so engrossed with his attempted purchase of Six Flags that he will pay no attention to the Skins for about three years and let others who might - just MIGHT - know more about the NFL than he does to run the team. Is that worth a try?

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Curmudgeon, imagine the characters in Z's story were Joe Gibbs and Dan Snyder. Do you think that if the story was about Gibbs believing that Ferguson was the guy he needed and Snyder left a meeting to get directly involved in the negotations offer Ferguson more money than the Jets were, then Z would say the same thing?

Do you think he would say Snyder is a guy who you'd like to have in your corner? I'm going to guess no

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]
Do you think he would say Snyder is a guy who you'd like to have in your corner? I'm going to guess no[/QUOTE]

Exactly