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The Washington Redskins have already made one trade to get a first round pick and are now trying to make another move to get even higher in the opening stanza.


Will Braylon Edwards be playing for the Redskins next season? (Donald Miralle / Getty Images)
FOXSports.com has learned that the Redskins phoned teams in the top four on Wednesday, including the 49ers, who own the first pick, to inquire about moving up to one of the crown jewel selections of the draft. While the Redskins have not told teams who they covet, front office sources said they are trying to make a move for Michigan WR Braylon Edwards.

The Redskins have long been wheelers and dealers, so attempting to make their second move into the first round this week should come as no surprise. While Washington would like to make such a deal, they may not have enough ammunition, especially since they have already traded away their No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft.

Edwards is widely coveted as the draft's top receiver and could go as high as No. 3 to Cleveland or even No. 2 to the Dolphins. The 49ers will not select him with the first overall selection as they are still targeting Utah QB Alex Smith, even if they cannot work a pre-draft deal with Smith's agent, Tom Condon.

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I'm concerned about this. I have this feeling they will pay too much.

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This is all driving me crazy. I can't wait till tomorrow.

Malcolm, we already have paid too much. Especially for the #25 pick.

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I'll say this. If we take a player with #25, then I'll be upset. If this is part of a "master plan", I'll have to say that I'm more than intrigued.

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well like TAFKAS told me the other day, theres got to be another trade on the horizon. They've got something up their sleeve.

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If we spend both 25 and 9 on Edwards, it would go down as one of the worst draft moves ever. The guy is good, no doubt, but NO ROOKIE is worth two firsts, a third and a fourth.
It just doesn't make sense to me. We have too many other needs to go giving up this and most of next year's draft on one guy.

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Yeah, I really don't feel that happening though. I swear, if this Jason Campbell thing DOES happen, I'd ask to be traded if I were Ramsey.

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i think we will probably move the 25 and a player (Gardner, perhaps) to move up and get the rookie WR if that's the move. I really don't know what they have planned though.

I will tell you this though, that as a Redskins fan, my stock in watching on Saturday just went up about 50,000%!

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I didn't think I was going to get to watch the draft because my girlfriend conned me into going to a "luncheon" at VA Tech. I had a backup plan of having Daseal call me with each pick, but I got out of it. That's why I'M marrying this girl. She understands the plights of men.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Yeah, I really don't feel that happening though. I swear, if this Jason Campbell thing DOES happen, I'd ask to be traded if I were Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't worry. I said this on another post, but I really think that's all just smoke and mirrors. Campbell sucked for three years until they instituted a west coast offense last year, and he got a 14 on the wonderlic test (that's really bad for a QB). The last thing I see Gibbs wanting is to start over with a young, west coast offense QB with less than average intelligence. Just don't see it happening.

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That's what I'm thinking too. I'm just worried cause crazier things have happened. And if they are going to happen, they will happen to us. The only thing that Campbell has over Ramsey is mobility, but whoop-dee-shit. I'm stopping all this talk before it gets out of hand. :)

Anyway, I hope that maybe we can package up that pick with Gardner and get a few more picks to come out on top in that trade.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]I wouldn't worry. I said this on another post, but I really think that's all just smoke and mirrors. Campbell sucked for three years until they instituted a west coast offense last year, and he got a 14 on the wonderlic test (that's really bad for a QB). The last thing I see Gibbs wanting is to start over with a young, west coast offense QB with less than average intelligence. Just don't see it happening.[/QUOTE]


Very good points, I agree.

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AND because of my confidence in us winning the Super Bowl this year, Denver's pick won't be worth much. ;)

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Well we can all agree on one thing...
The skins make the draft more interesting just about every year don't they?
I'll be stunned if we trade the 25 and 9 for Edwards but the 25 and Gardner may not be enough to get that done. Maybe we work a three way deal to move up into the 15 range by trading Gardner and the 25 then trade the 9 and the 15ish for the 4 and a 2nd rounder? Does this sound plausible?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Well we can all agree on one thing...
The skins make the draft more interesting just about every year don't they?
I'll be stunned if we trade the 25 and 9 for Edwards but the 25 and Gardner may not be enough to get that done. Maybe we work a three way deal to move up into the 15 range by trading Gardner and the 25 then trade the 9 and the 15ish for the 4 and a 2nd rounder? Does this sound plausible?[/QUOTE]

Hhhmmmm. Now that's an interesting option I hadn't thought about. If it's an early second, I could live with that because there could still be a CB available that would be an upgrade over Walt Harris. I'll have to check one of those draft pick value charts, but I think the math may work on that. Very good thinking FRPLG.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG] I'll be stunned if we trade the 25 and 9 for Edwards but the 25 and Gardner may not be enough to get that done. Maybe we work a three way deal to move up into the 15 range by trading Gardner and the 25 then trade the 9 and the 15ish for the 4 and a 2nd rounder? Does this sound plausible?[/QUOTE]

Ok, I've done some calculating. Doing the math, if we could move up to 15 by trading Gardner and 25 (which might be a stretch because it would normally take a late second rounder to move up that much), we could probably work a deal with the Bears for #4 and #7 in the second round (the points work out to be almost equal). Problem is, there is a very good chance Braylon doesn't make it past #3. It would be virtually impossible to get to #3 and still get a second rounder (especially since the Browns have the #2 pick in the second round). If he's still there at #4 though, I'll be on the edge of my seat.

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I was so worried the site would be down and we would never be able to talk about this stuff before the draft. Thank god Matty was able to get this up and running.

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Most def. I love that I actually have something to do at work now.

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I am not sold on trading up for Edwards. He is good but not special. I would be more satisfied if they said they were going after Williams. Honestly I still think we draft a CB at 9 (Rolle) or trade down to mid 1st and pick up another pick and draft a CB there (Rodgers) and take Heath Miller, Roddy White, Mark Clayton, or Matt Roth at 25.

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There hasn't been a lot of hype around Miller these days. If he slips and we somehow acquire a 2nd round pick, it could be possibly to pick him up.

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[quote] and he got a 14 on the wonderlic test (that's really bad for a QB). [/quote]
Isn't that about the same that Marino/Montana got? Wonderlic test doesn't mean anything. They give it to these guys after a full day of workouts and most of them don't care about it that much. Last year there was a list of wonderlic tests and who scored what, Ill have to look for it when I get home from class! Basicly some of the best players scored low.

[quote]I am not sold on trading up for Edwards. He is good but not special. I would be more satisfied if they said they were going after Williams.[/quote]
AMEN.

As far as Rolle - I think he's gonna slip. He's way overrated. I'd take PacMan and Rogers before him. He has an ST attitude without the natural gifts! PacMan said he WANTED to be a Redskin. If we blow the 9th pick on a CB - it should be him!

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Yeah, I really want Pacman if no good WR is available.

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I also like Merriman's attitude. I saw him on NFL Network and he looks like someone who would be a good team guy and he's such a BEAST.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]

As far as Rolle - I think he's gonna slip. He's way overrated. I'd take PacMan and Rogers before him. He has an ST attitude without the natural gifts! PacMan said he WANTED to be a Redskin. If we blow the 9th pick on a CB - it should be him![/QUOTE]


I don;t agree with Rolle being overrated. If anyone is overrated its PacMan. Pac Man is fast but he is not smart. Rolle doesn't make nearly the amount of mistakes PacMan does. Look at the competition faced by Rolle and Rodgers and compare it to what Pac Man was up against at UWV. Rolle and Rodgers clearly held up better against better passing teams and proved to be leaders for their team. Pac Man's team finished 7-4 against a weeker schedule and began the year as a preseason top 5 team.

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I wouldn't want Rolle for the fact he's from the "U" alone. I don't want to have a Miami reunion every summer when they should be practicing with the team.

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Now that I think about it, I wouldn't be against drafting Miller now. But I doubt we will.

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Yeah, if he's there at #25 or second round (if we get one).

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Well, Malcolm - eventually they'd just move the workouts to DC! Portis, Barrow, Taylor, Reed, Moss, Lewis, more? all play around here!

Rolle has an attitude problem. He thinks he a ST without the talent. Why do you say pacman is stupid? Basing it on a wonderlic tests? They're totally useless. Pacman is a faster more physical version of smoot. I do like Rodgers a lot, but Rolle is definitely the 3rd CB in my book.

Also, referring to Campbell, how is 8 losses in your entire college career mediocre?

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Hahaha... Yeah, I definitely agree on Rolle. I heard him talking about himself on NFL Network. He's ALREADY talking in 3rd person.

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Pac-Man is considered the best man to man cover corner. Rolle is better at zone coverage and zone blitzing.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Yeah, I really don't feel that happening though. I swear, if this Jason Campbell thing DOES happen, I'd ask to be traded if I were Ramsey.[/QUOTE]


Good. Let him go.
We need a real Qb not a flash in the pan.

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the coach said in the press thing yesterday that they had called all the teams above them and below them to check on possiblities and work out scenierios. i wonder if this is what they're talking about. let it slide, everything you hear unless it is from the skins personally, let it slide. they got to sell papers and will say anything to dit. that was the whole jist of the press thing with coach vinnie & dan yesterday. don't sweat it guys. remember if our line has strightend out we only need a few players to look at the playoffs.

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I also have this thinking about drafting a WR. I know we have a bunch of #2s. Don't you think that a group of average/above average WRs can more than get the job done? We are a running team and we have the type of WR that DO stretch the field.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Also, referring to Campbell, how is 8 losses in your entire college career mediocre?[/QUOTE]

Insider's Expert's scouting report on Campbell:

[b]Overall:[/b] Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003. He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record. Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open. However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make. As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

Like I said. Three so-so years, one good year, in a west coast scheme that had to be simplified. Seriously, what the heck are we going to do with a west coast QB? He's just not that impressive. If you look at his throwing statistics compared to the other top 10 QB draft prospects, I think you'll see that he's really nothing to write home about. In fact, his numbers put him somewhere around the bottom of the top 10 QBs.

And if I had Cadillac AND Ronnie Brown behind me, with a consistently good to great defense, I'd probably have a pretty good win/loss record too. Win/loss records in college football are no indicator of success in the pros. Danny Wuerrfle, Shane Matthews, Ken Dorsey, Andre Ware, Eric Crouch............the list just goes on and on.

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i like pac man alot ala darrell green but mr rogers has really perked my intrest. he is faster than pac man(from what i've read) and as big as rolle. and , last he won the trophy for best cb in the nation over both of them. and he's a good charachter guy. man, that's tough to beat.

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Uhh - 56fan... Explain to me exactly why we should listen to the REDSKINS during draft time. They wouldn't DARE lie. Not saying I think Campbell rumor is true, but still. Kinda like how Coles was fine? I mean, come on. They're going to lie - they have to. It's part of the game. Don't believe the rumors 100% either, but if you hear something enough it probably has some merit.

No doubt Campbell is greatly improved by that running game, but imagine that. A quarterback with less stability than Patrick Ramsey being erratic. Sure he has questions, who doesn't. I don't want us to draft him, but he's going to be a good player. Wouldn't suprise me one bit if he became the best QB out of this draft.

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He's not faster than Pac-man. Not by a long shot. He's faster than Rolle, but not quite as big as Rolle. He's kinda a mix between the two guys.

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Is it just me or does Jason Campbell sound very similar to what Ramsey was coming out of College? Good arm, poor decision making, no downfield accuracy, and holds on to the ball too long. Only difference is the mobility.

Why draft another "project" QB? I thought we did that when we drafted Ramsey?

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Campbell might end up being good but everytime I see him I think Tony Banks. :frusty:

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This Campbell stuff is stupid. And trading up for Edwards is even worse. No one thinks the Redskins need a #1 WR more than I do, but trading 4 draft picks for 1 player is stupid. he is not the next coming of Jerry Rice. I don't like Edwards that much anyway,I would rather have Williams.