Why we need to rout for 2-14
 

While this season is difficult to watch in the long run we need to rout for the Skins to be as bad as possible. The worst thing that can happen for this team would be to roll off 5-6 wins and be as close to .500 - this would only provide a temporary smokescreen for the true talent level of the team (or lack of talent and depth I should say) and give Synder reason to keep his current front office structure and team building philopsphy in place.

This is simply not about losing to get better draft positioning in the upcoming offseason - we are not just one player or one draft from turning things around - we are likely 3 full drafts from turning the corner and building a true foundation and injecting the team with much needed youth in all reality. I hate this because lets be honest - we always seem to be rebuilding in the offseason - but if we are to ever truely turn the corner we need to flush the entire system down the drain from top to bottom - and 2-14 justifies that a lot more than 7-9.

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i can't root for the team to go 2-14. Ain't happening. I hear what you are saying, and logically it's valid. But if I was following logic I wouldn't even watch again until the off-season championship drive begins.

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root*

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I always hate stuff like this. While I have given up all hope in regard to this season, each week when I tune in I'll be [I]rooting[/I] for a win, no question. Are people really rooting against their own team??

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I'm torn. I can't bear the thought of the Skins being the bottom feeder and ending 2-14, but I also understand that most likely we will end up with a high draft pick in doing so and we need a young LT. Second round maybe a RT to secure the ends. Pick up a free agent QB that knows the system we are trying to run and invite all UFA O-lineman to camp. Let them know they have a good chance to start. Invite a couple of UFA QB's in cause we know JC will be gone, Collins is old and should be cut, so a huge youth movement is needed.

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Matty - don't get me wrong - it pains me to watch the team lose but if we are to have any hope at all turning things around we need a compelte flushout of the system - getting close to .500 only provides ammunition to keep on the current path.

Let me ask another way - would fans prefer to continue seeing the current front office structure continue as-is if that means .500 ball with maybe a first round wild-card loss every 5 years or so? Or would you rather get a true correction and allow the possibility of bringining in a new front office structure that a 2-14 or continious bad teams would eventually force the hand of Sydner provide?

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[quote=Mattyk72;622696]I always hate stuff like this. While I have given up all hope in regard to this season, each week when I tune in I'll be [I]rooting[/I] for a win, no question. Are people really rooting against their own team??[/quote]

Not necessarily [I]rooting [/I]for a loss but expecting it. Hoping that all this humility will bring about a high draft pick.

[COLOR=red]and....change. [/COLOR][COLOR=black]The only way change will occur is if the team looks horrid and DS can't take anymore of the same crap. Only then will he start firing people and hopefully make the right changes needed to turn this team around. Otherwise expect more of the same. [/COLOR]

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[quote=Mattyk72;622696]I always hate stuff like this. While I have given up all hope in regard to this season, each week when I tune in I'll be [I]rooting[/I] for a win, no question. Are people really rooting against their own team??[/quote]
im with you. i know my skins are a bad team. but i will never, and i mean never, root for them to lose. stupid thread

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If we need to go 2-14 to make it apparent that things need to change, the problems already run too deep for a new team president/GM to matter anyway.

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Well if we ran off 5 to 6 wins against the teams we have to play maybe we are not as bad as 2 and 5.

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[quote=dmek25;622703]im with you. i know my skins are a bad team. but i will never, and i mean never, root for them to lose. stupid thread[/quote]

Agree 100%. I cant stand arguements like this. I have a friend who actually places bets against his team and states "well if they win or lose, ill be happy either way".....can never root against my team

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Root for us to loss out...? You go right ahead!

As for myself and ALL the REAL fans I know...I'm rooting for a WIN EVERY Sunday!

IMO this is a retarded thread.

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Well i understand the logic but i'll rather get the top 7-14 draft pick it's easier to trade down

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SBXVII - good response and that point you made about DS not being able to take it anymore forcing a change is what I am trying to get at.

Like I said it pains me to see the team lose but the current philosphy and path the team has taken does not give fans much hope now and for the future. I think it was Tony Dungy who said it best that when you rebuild you can't do it halfway - you need to go all the way. Looking at the current roster do many of you all have a lot of hope that the team is successfully replenshing itself with youth to take over when veterans start to wear out (and remember that the average legnth of nfl tenure is 3-4 years and injuries are a big part of the game as every team has them). How many of you all are happy with the team allocating so much money to a few high priced players leaving team depth, well pretty much unaddressed? At the end of the season if you are going to miss the playoffs (and lets be honest here - the Skins chances of making the playoffs are not too good) wouldn't you really like to see the team make a complete overhaul instead of just tinkering?

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I've already accepted the fact that the team is bad and the organization is worse but even though I'm boycotting the team, I can't say I wish they will lose. There is something in me that would love to see them win eight games in a row and go to the playoffs. I know its not going to happen but can't a fan dream.

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I'll be rooting for this thread to be locked up.

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So am I getting this right that I see most everyone would rather the Skins win a couple of games to cover Vinny and keep the structure as-is?

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We don't know what will happen w/the CBA, uncapped year, etc. Regardless, I think the nfl salary cap & draft structure gives teams an incentive to play well so that they DON'T get the #1 pick. That pick costs a lot of $ & can screw a team if the player doesn't pan out. It's much better to be in the latter half of the top 10 where there are stars for the taking & they cost less. Plus they have less pressure on them.

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[quote=Bill B;622717]So am I getting this right that I see most everyone would rather the Skins win a couple of games to cover Vinny and keep the structure as-is?[/quote]

Vinny might be on his way out anyway or vice versa he might never get fired.

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But Freddy - I don't think this team as currently constructed is ony one draft away. Realistically we are several drafts away from turning the corner.On offense outside of Cooley are there any players that are long term solutions? On defense we have some talent but enought to offset the other side.

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[quote=Bill B;622717]So am I getting this right that I see most everyone would rather the Skins win a couple of games to cover Vinny and keep the structure as-is?[/quote]

I doubt even one person on this board wants Vinny to stay. But most fans will not root against their team. period. If DS doesn't know by now that VC and this whole team needs to be blown up and started with a different pattern of behaviour then winning one, two, or even 6 more games is not going to change his mind.

What you should be seeing in response to your thread title, is that no fan should [B][U][SIZE="5"]ever[/SIZE][/U][/B] root for their team to lose. ever.

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Well, how ever we´ll end, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 (don´t think we have chances ending better) would you prefer using the high pick we get or maybe trade the high 1st rounder for a late 1st and a 2nd?

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CRedskins - I don't have another team I am rooting for - I love the Redskins and have been a fan for my entire life - it pains me to see them lose like this and become the laughinstock of the NFL - I just think Synder is so stuck on his way and his system that the only way things can get changed is for the worst possible thing to occur.

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[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;622739]Well, how ever we´ll end, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 (don´t think we have chances ending better) would you prefer using the high pick we get or maybe trade the high 1st rounder for a late 1st and a 2nd?[/quote]


I would prefer a trade down but as many have pointed out it takes 2 to tango and many teams want to avoid the high salaries of the top picks - the only exception to this for me would be if Russell Okung is availble the Redskins must take him with that first pick.

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[quote=Bill B;622745]CRedskins - I don't have another team I am rooting for - I love the Redskins and have been a fan for my entire life - it pains me to see them lose like this and become the laughinstock of the NFL - I just think Synder is so stuck on his way and his system that [B]the only way things can get changed is for the worst possible thing to occur.[/B][/quote]

I'm pretty sure that for Snyder, the worst has occurred already.

There is no demonstrable evidence that at 2-14 Vinny will be fired but at 7-9 he won't. Therefore I disagree with the premise of this thread.

And never, ever, ever can I root against the Skins.

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lol at deadskins fanz rooting for the team to loose

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[quote=denim_monger;622785]lol at deadskins fanz rooting for the team to loose[/quote]

Lol at sub-literate Vikings fans getting banned for being jerks.

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what's the point in having a team if you want them to lose....even if it is for the best, it's no ethical

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We need to root for going 2-14 for two reasons.

1) So we get a ridiculously good draft pick, Bradford, Okung, Locker, Whoever
2) So we can show Snyder that the Front Office structure he has going on sucks and needs to be changed.

I gave up on this team for THIS YEAR, as soon as we lost to detroit, people were giving me crap saying it was to early, while I sort of agree, I knew we just wouldn't be good, and now I'm glad other people are doing what I did weeks ago and just say seasons over, lets suck the rest of the year and start from scratch and continue to next year with a positive "wanting the redskins to win" attitude.

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[quote=denim_monger;622785]lol at deadskins fanz rooting for the team to loose[/quote]

Please re-post this in English.

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Even if we get a great draft pick if Vinny is around I would not be surprised if he bypassed the O line again and went for another WR. They are in denial about the O Line.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;622890]Even if we get a great draft pick if Vinny is around I would not be surprised if he bypassed the O line again and went for another WR. They are in denial about the O Line.[/quote]


I hope this does not occur - we really need both the 1st and 2 round pick used on the offensive line and than go and get a free agent or two to help fill the gap. In addition in the draft after next year we need to get at least one more offensive lineman with either the 1st or 2nd round pick - the Oline has been unaddressed for too long and now we need to overcompensate for past drafts.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622870]We need to root for going 2-14 for two reasons.

1) So we get a ridiculously good draft pick, Bradford, Okung, Locker, Whoever
2) So we can show Snyder that the Front Office structure he has going on sucks and needs to be changed.

I gave up on this team for THIS YEAR, as soon as we lost to detroit, people were giving me crap saying it was to early, while I sort of agree, I knew we just wouldn't be good, and now I'm glad other people are doing what I did weeks ago and just say seasons over, lets suck the rest of the year and start from scratch and continue to next year with a positive "wanting the redskins to win" attitude.[/quote]

Well what people gave you crap for was saying 'I want us to lose all of our games so we can get a better draft pick,' which I still think is BS. I don't expect us to win another game this season but every Sunday at 1pm, I'm going to drop into my easy chair and root for us to win. Sure, we probably need to go 2-14 and blow up a lot of things, but to root for that, never.

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Paintrain - for me at least losing is not about getting a better draft pick this offseason - as in my opinion we are several draft classes away from a complete rebuild that generate consistently competitive teams. My thing was I really hope and pray that the front office revamping takes place because I love the Redskins so much. Even if we get the worst record in the league this year with the current front office I think they would inevitably mess up the draft. Even if Russell Okung fell into their laps with the 10th pick I can see Vinny saying we needed to go with anoter position for whatever reason. When the Skins are getting beat as they are now my blood pressure goes up like many fans across the nation - I want them to win badly but unless they take that ultimate step of revamping the entire front office can we really expect anything different?

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If you root for your team to lose then you are not a true fan. Giving up hope and not expecting any more wins is fine but week in and week out you have to stand by your team. If you are going to root for them to lose, stop coming to this forum.

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I get what Bill B is saying here. Yesterday, i was jumping up and down when we cut it to 7 pts. I want to win first but we need a FO restructure-overhaul which leads to a coaching overhaul, which leads to a player overhaul. The only way for DS to do this is if we're just plain bad. We've been mediocre for to long.

I will follow the team just as much when we start building the team thru the draft and have some assemblence of a plan. I just need a little hope. Only a god awful team this year might persuade DS to make these changes.

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It doesn't matter if we need it, don't need it, want it, or don't want it. It's going to happen. If it doesn't, it will look like something very similar.

If the front office doesn't change and Dan doesn't give up some control, then you might as well look forward to the same thing next year, and the year after that, ad infinitum.

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[quote=Paintrain;622921]Well what people gave you crap for was saying 'I want us to lose all of our games so we can get a better draft pick,' which I still think is BS. I don't expect us to win another game this season but every Sunday at 1pm, I'm going to drop into my easy chair and root for us to win. Sure, we probably need to go 2-14 and blow up a lot of things, but to root for that, never.[/quote]

I still do to, in terms of watching us every sunday, and I will continue to do so for the rest of the season, but you need to understand that people want us to lose, to do my two reasons from my last post. The rest of my response to you is pretty much stated to you in posts #34-37. Just look forward to April Paintrain!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;622710]Root for us to loss out...? You go right ahead!

As for myself and [B]ALL the REAL fans I know[/B]...I'm rooting for a WIN EVERY Sunday!

IMO this is a retarded thread.[/quote]

This is the funniest and yet shittiest thing I keep seeing in threads all over the place. No knock on you just tired of hearing how some people are [I]"True Redskins Fans" "Real Fans" [/I]and [I]"Corps Skin fan", [/I]Like everyone else is not and has no clue what is or how to be a fan.

If your looking for the pat on the back you got it. If your looking for the atta boy...you got it. You are better then the rest of us. You guys are more of a fan then the rest of us.

For the rest of us I'm just glad we are not the types to simply accept the mediocracy. It's one thing to be a fan and a completely different thing to be a fanatic. It reminds me of the religous zealots who say "I'm a Jesus fan so I'm going to heaven and your not so your going to hell."

I guess there is no grey area in fandome. I either believe the team can win every game or I'm not a fan. So, touche to you "Real" fans. Thanks for being there for the team because if it wasn't for you there would be no fans at all. Well except for us mediocre fans talking on message boards.

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I agree with this threads thesis. In the meantime I've found peace rooting for the defense, especially our D-Line. The offense is pretty much a lost cause at this point.